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3D Nightmares... Or... The little sculptor - Experiments with dynamic hair

Tormie [ Friday, 15 June 2007, 11:43 PM ]
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Hi friends <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/TFR708.gif" alt="" /> I'm trying some experiments with the hair generation / dynamic hair . This is my first try enanching Posy's <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> eyebrows, The texture is a little different from the usual too . The next step would be to create the lashes with the same method , then the hair ! The good thing of this function, apart the look, is that the hair follow the morphs :). I created three different hair zones on the eyebrows area and modelled the hair , it's not easy and I'm not an expert, iwould know what you think about it. Suggestions are very welcome ! P.S. There isn't any postwork <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/icon_redface.gif" alt="" />

Whazizname [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 01:28 AM ]
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Hmmm... <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> I haven't tried many experiments with dynamic hair yet; so I can only have a limited opinion. I'd prefer a side by side comparison; but I think the dynamic hair adds a bit to the "realism" of the eyebrows. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/happy8.gif" alt="" />

GrouchoCaesar [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 02:47 AM ]
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My only concern with this idea is the amount of extra rendering time - if you are happy to put up with that then by all means keep on with it!

Tormie [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 08:37 AM ]
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You're both right, my goal is to make a close up portrait of Posy and in general to usethe hair on eyeborws and lashes only in closeups even if it's rare that I realize a picture in tihis way...

Posy [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 08:37 AM ]
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You think I am both right my goal is to make a close up portrait of you and in general to usethe hair on eyeborws and lashes only in closeups even if it is rare that I realize a picture in tihis way.

Tormie [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 08:37 AM ]
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tda42 [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 10:53 AM ]
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Ok you wanted to know what we think and I say it is a good start but I think the eye brow area is a little to thick or big if you will for a round faced small girl like Posy. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> She should have thinner eye brows and it would make the job more easier. Just a thought. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" /> How ever this is interesting to say the least. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/biggrin.gif" alt="" />

Posy [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 10:53 AM ]
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What is a thought?

tda42 [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 10:56 AM ]
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It's when someone has an idea or a feeling to carry out an act or solve a problem Posy. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" />

Posy [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 10:56 AM ]
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Really. when someone has an idea or a feeling to carry out an act or solve a problem you is?

tda42 [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 10:58 AM ]
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A question following a question, huh Posy? <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lmao.gif" alt="" />

Posy [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 10:58 AM ]
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I'm glad you find this amusing.

tda42 [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 10:59 AM ]
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Now thats a thought. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" />

Tormie [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 03:13 PM ]
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Thank you Kenny <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> While I put the "3d" eyebrows I'll cover the textures behind it for a nice (I hope) final effect. Posy's <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> eyebrows are the trademark of her <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" />

Posy [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 03:13 PM ]
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You are quite welcome! What you said was either too complex for me.

Tormie [ Saturday, 16 June 2007, 03:13 PM ]
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Tormie [ Sunday, 17 June 2007, 02:25 AM ]
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Here is the next step on this experiment: I've erased the eyebrows painted in the texture and kept only the "3d" eyebrows. They are very difficult to "style" and it took me a lot of time and I've still to work on it. I made also a couple of very beautiful lashes when the damn program closed itself without reason as often happens <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/new_cussing.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/new_cussing.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/new_cussing.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/crybaby2.gif" alt="" />

tda42 [ Sunday, 17 June 2007, 04:06 AM ]
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Now thats looking great. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> But I wonder why it closed on you. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> Very strange. But, it looks like Posy is looking better and better. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" />

Posy [ Sunday, 17 June 2007, 04:06 AM ]
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Why now? I'm glad we have that all cleared up.

Tormie [ Monday, 18 June 2007, 12:35 AM ]
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Here is the work of today , in this pose you can see that the eyebrows are 3d, and I made the lashes too <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" />

ahjah [ Monday, 18 June 2007, 05:15 AM ]
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<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> I don't know much about dynamic hair, yet, but Posy looks amazing here (I love the freckles <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> )

Posy [ Monday, 18 June 2007, 05:15 AM ]
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<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/smile.gif" alt="" /> I think I'm falling asleep.

Tormie [ Monday, 18 June 2007, 07:40 PM ]
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<img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> I'm thinking that I could share my work on the dynamic eyebrows and lashes, it should work exporting the character, but I've to try (obviously default Posette <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_hand.gif" alt="" /> )

Tormie [ Monday, 18 June 2007, 07:54 PM ]
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Unfortunately it doesn't work exporting the hair as props: they work like normal props, don't move with the eyebrows' morphs and show only the guide hairs. I'll think at another solution <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> (You should think with me <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/eusa_think.gif" alt="" /> )

Tormie [ Tuesday, 19 June 2007, 01:27 AM ]
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This is the work of today: you can see that using these light the eyebrows need more work. The lashes are temporary, the dynamic version is not good looking so I *ehm* have stolen the lashes from another character, they can't move and you can see that they are not exactly ok. I want to learn what is behind the prop-lashes of characters like Ranran or Linlin that are parented to the head and can move according to the eye morph of the head and to the same with Posy <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> . The teeth are props parented to the head, the eyes are taken from the P6woman (Jenny ?). I worked a little on the lips in order to smooth them (they were too big) and make the shape lightly non symmetrical. I took the lacrimals from another character and modified them for Posy <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> , they are parented props. The hair are from the P6woman dynamic hairs, I adapted the follycle prop to Posy's <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> head in the cloth room making a morph target. I realized that I need to paint the hair on the skull, here I used the chignon hair from kozaburo under the dynamic hair or the skin can be seen under the dynamic hairs. I used Kirisute lights (free at renderosity). I'll work on it more and more for a close-up, big portrait that I want to print and hang here in my house <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" />

Posy [ Tuesday, 19 June 2007, 01:27 AM ]
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Did you get paid for working on a little on the lips in order to smooth them they were too big and make the shape lightly non symmetrical ? And that worked well for you.

Tormie [ Tuesday, 19 June 2007, 08:15 AM ]
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Thank you <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> !

tda42 [ Wednesday, 20 June 2007, 12:35 AM ]
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I will have to say Davide that is a good look on Posy. Scary to believe that she is beginning to look so real. You have done a good job on her. <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/thumb.gif" alt="" />

Posy [ Wednesday, 20 June 2007, 12:36 AM ]
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What makes you think I have done a good job on her?

Tormie [ Wednesday, 20 June 2007, 03:36 PM ]
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Thank you Kenny <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/TFR708.gif" alt="" /> , this is the last one I made after the dynamic hair work and it will be my next picture. I would make it like an advertisement, something like "use only original Posettes" with some box of medicine with "posetteforever" written on it... But now I'm tired (Too much Posy...)

ahjah [ Wednesday, 20 June 2007, 07:04 PM ]
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Whazizname [ Wednesday, 20 June 2007, 10:25 PM ]
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Great work with the dynamic hair Tormie! Here is an advertising slogan for you to consider: "Posette, accept no substitutes!" <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/happy8.gif" alt="" />

Tormie [ Thursday, 09 August 2007, 02:54 AM ]
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Ok, it's summertime and I'm working at night but I'm still messing with Posy <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/heartbeat.gif" alt="" /> <img src="https://www.posetteforever.com/images/smiles/lol.gif" alt="" /> ...

Posy [ Thursday, 09 August 2007, 02:54 AM ]
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Should I know summertime and I am working at night but I am still messing with you heartbeat grin is?

Tormie [ Thursday, 09 August 2007, 02:54 AM ]
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