https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3279
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ahjah
Monday, 09 June 2008, 05:42 PM

Poser and Linux ?!?
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Hi friends :hugs:
After a lot of trouble with my computer recently, most of it XP related, I'm tired of it and want to get rid of all this M$  stuff.
I'm seriously planning to switch to a Linux distribution. Writing this, I'm on a Kanotix/Debian running from a live CD.
I'm starting to like it. Though running from a ram drive, it seems stable and fast. I could get used to it :D
But it only makes sense, if I can run my beloved applications on it, too. Blender is no problem being a native linux, morph manager and morph master should work using Wine. But will I get Poser6 working, will Daz installers work etc. ???

I need your opinions, experiences... what settings do I need, wich disribution works best(if at all), or will DAZ|Studio work, at least...  I remember one of our friends talking about using linux, but I don't remember, who it was :dontknow: .
I have to make the decision to reinstall XP ( :devil: ) again, or to give linux a try
Thanks for helping :hug2:


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Tormie
Monday, 09 June 2008, 05:59 PM

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Look, I was addicted to linux from long ago starting with a Slackware distribution, compiling kernels etc. It is a top OS. Problem is the lack of applications and that it is not exactly easy, even if now it's easier.

I've a simple suggestion: for now make a couple of partitions on your HD, one for linux (actually it needs 2 partitions, one linux and the other one swap, so you need three), the other one for Window$, or buy another hard disk and switch from one to another at the boot (my bios allows it clicking F8). This is what you need while you practice with linux. If you like it enough and expertise, nothing is impossible. But if you're lazy ( :redface: ) sooner or later you'll go back to Bill Gate$. 

Basically... Why run Poser under an emulation ? Just keep a partition with a simple XP with the programs that doesn't work under linux and the other one for linux.

There is another alternative that is a Mac, but it involves a lot of money to buy an Apple... I'm tempted by it (leahman pushes a lot :roll: ) but I've no money for one of it...

BTW I think that at Micro$oft they made a big mistake with Vista, it has a permissions system that is a bad copy of the one of Linux, you have to give a command like the "su root" everytime to make the programs run or install, that can be good if the user is not the common user, because it become too much complicated . So there are a lot of people who downgrade to XP even on system that not even have the drivers for XP, that was the case of my brother's notebook. I had to dig hell to make it work under XP because Vista sucked...


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tda42
Monday, 09 June 2008, 10:41 PM

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As far as I'm concerned with the OS system, XP is by far the best OS that Bill Gates has made from MS. The second edition is the best but they have a 64 bit XP Pro for $180. Better get them before the end of the month though. They are stopping the sale of XP this month.



Now for the question at hand. Out side of the MS system what other kind of OS is Windows compatible to use and make the PC run faster as far as Linux is concerned and where can we get it. :notworthy:
 
I am downloading Fedora 9 x86 Linux OS. Anyone try this one? 
If you want to have two OS on one drive I recommend Norton's Partition Magic. Easy to use with Double Booted systems.  :thumb:


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rayera
Tuesday, 10 June 2008, 01:13 AM

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Some years ago a job mate pushed me to use linux, since then I always had Windows and linux installed in my PC, it saved me a lot of time and head pain when my windows crashed and from linux I was able to go on using my PC while slowly doing the back up ( slowly because I'm lazy and don't like to back up anything  :redface: the last time was a month  :uuh: ) to reinstall windows, and I felt absolutely comfortable with it. I use Ubuntu that's absolutely easy to use and all programs you need are in repositories in the web so you don't have to go thru the process of installation, just chose your application and everything goes where it have to go, you don't like it, just go that program and it unistall without problems or conflicts, as far as I know linux doesn't need drefragmentation, something I hate to do too. mainly because after doing it a couple of time I've lost some data,  :snooty:  in windows.

In Ubuntu I instaled an "emulator" (they say it's not an emulator at all) called WINE, and under this I was able to run Daz $tudio ($ learned from Tormie, I like  it  :)  ) and Poser 7 without problems, with poser 7 rendering even faster.

Blender works fantastic in Ubuntu, faster and smoother , but as Tormie say, one can never escape to Bill Gate$, I know people that use just linux, but for me there is always something that make me reinstall Window$, but for sure I'll always have a Linux installed in my PC.

If you want to start your Linux experience I'd recommend you to start with Ubuntu, this came with an graphic interface called Genome very similar to the Mac OS, if you want something like Windows there is Kubuntu with a graphic interface called KDE with a more Windows feeling. If you are a Customization fan there are a lot to customize in both of this Graphic interface (by the way, in Linux language this interfaces all called The X) that I find by far more attractive and visually beautiful than windows, and if all customization is not enough then you can install something that was called Beryl, I don't remember the actual name, that use OpenGL to add an infinity of amazing effects to the interface pure eye candy... but I think I went out of topic  :redface: 

For short I recommend you installing Linux and Windows and starting slowly to use it, somehow you'll find it deserve to be installed, I don't know much about the technical advantages of using Linux, but I can tell you a lot of practical advantages of using Ubuntu by now as a helper, maybe in a no so distance future as my main OS.


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leahman
Tuesday, 10 June 2008, 01:33 AM

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:uuh:    :mmmh:    :whistle:    :redface:    :crazyeyes:    :dontknow: 
......... :redface:  My Machine can boot up on Linux, Unix, Windows XP, 
or Mac OSX 10.52...

 :uuh:  there are something over 
350 different manufacturers of PCs
 :mmmh: 
I think Bill Gates is a Smuck, but on the other hand, I do realize that he's
making an OS    -for machines that he has never  'even seen....
 :whistle: 
Thats like buying shoes for a woman  that you've never met
so I must say, that I don't see  'how it works,[i][size=14] as well as it does.[/size][/i]
 :dontknow: 
[u]All I know[/u] is that outside of the Power Supply, that went [b][color=#00FFBF]PFUTZ ! [/color][/b] -in my G4
(THANKS -Alabama Power)
which my BF has now replaced, and has the "ole G4 Humming
My  much older G3 is upstairs, where Wifey doez accounting and my ancient
PERFORMA is at the In-laws,  -busily playing Money solitaire...
(My point is they still work)
Sadly my daughter, JUST HAD to listen to her friends, and there are two
DELL Computers upstirs in the closet, neither of which will power up.
(So I had to buy her a MacBook and an iPhone) BUt[color=#BF00FF][i] I got to tell her[/i][/color]
[color=#CC0000][/color]"[b]I TOLD YOU SO[/b]"...   (I enjoyed that)
You can run anything on a Macintosh,   ' they simply are EASIER
and they last.  YES, There ARE  fewer GAMES, for a Mac, (because, hey,  it isn't a toy)
[color=#00BFFF](game systems are CHEAP compared to computers)[/color]
You can run Windows in a window, on top of the Mac OS, and use your Apps.
You never need any DRIVERS, no matter what kind of printer, scanner, camera ect
you may have.  it just WORKS, without excuses.
 :dance:  and I need a machine that does that !
Oh- I know the excuses, I've heard them all.
But I know that 23 years ago I bought my FIRST Macintosh.
It had a 9 in  black and white screen, a 20 meg HD, 1 Meg of Ram
[i]I paid over $3,000 for it.  [/i]I proceeded to set type for a Multi-Million Dollar
Printing Operation, and when  the postscript JUSTIFIED type came out of the 600 dpi 
printer  the Crowd  of people  waiting let loose a  big airy 
[b][size=18][color=#FF007F]" WoW . . ."[/color][/size][/b]
 :shocked!: 
The Printing and Medical Industries use Macs.
I went to "Apple School" and became a Mac Technician.
I freely admit (now) that I got paid to sit and wait for a mac to fritz
for years, and I almost NEVER had to repair one.  I added
internal HDs added more Ram, and everyone was happy.

The Movie "Piriates of Silicon Valley" tells  -the story of Microsoft, and Apple.
There are hundreds of cell phones but[i] everyone   -WANTS,[/i] an iPhone.
Sit and play with a new Mac, and  you'll view a PC  -a lot differently.

Sadly some people  GET MAD when you [i][b][color=#D800FF]tell them the truth.[/color][/b][/i]
 :sorry: 
If you buy a Kenmore, or whirlpool washing machine
YOU can actually FIX  -anything that ever goes wrong with it.
Thats not true  -of a Maytag.

"Buyer Beware" has never been   [i]-more TRUE[/i]
than in the 21 Century...

[b][i]I know[/i][/b] 
that [i][b]nobody will listen to me[/b][/i], But the funny TV commercials
Apple Runs,  -are an  understatment...

I'm old enough to remember when Cars became available
with Automatic Transmission.  My father swore the world would come to an end
because  "Women will be able to Drive !"  [i]Maybe he was right,[/i]
but[i] he still [/i]   -BOUGHT ONE.
 :tormie: 
I know the Die-Hards   will be annoyed :dash: 
but, hey it works for me.... and I got 
a good RAISE in salary due to the fact   
-that  I showed them a better  and 'easier way.

 :dontknow:


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Tormie
Tuesday, 10 June 2008, 07:02 AM

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Sure Macs are good leahman. Problem is that they costs a lot, even if they are a hell of a machine the price is too high for pockets filled only with chewingum wrappers :dontknow: ... And they are overpriced like the Ipod or the Iphone, they are bought because they are cool but with the same money of an Iphone I would buy a "flames from the ass" Nokia phone with GPS and other goodies that an Iphone lacks, and nokia, at least in Europe, is a top brand. Sooner or later I will buy one of those Macs, you know it, but it will be a "luxury" because with the same money I could build myself a Pc with it's own gravitational field... Sure PCs are made with parts from a lot of different makers, but in this way prices are low, while if you want a replacement part for a Mac or an upgrade, usually you've to knock Apple's door and your wallet will cry :crybaby: .
The same, I bet that a Ferrari or a Porsche would work better than my Dodge but I would have some problems to buy one  :redface:  He he...

Automatic transmissions, they have difficulties to sell them here, they are not considered cool even by women :dontknow: , this is a matter of culture, being a driver for work, automatic is better, especially in traffic but I still prefer the manual gear because I can have more control of the car :tormie: . Now they do "mixed" gearboxes , with an automatic that you can even use like a manual, shifting gears with a touch. As usual, they costs a lot :roll: , not enough chewingum wrappers, rofl :pssd: ...  :grin:


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leahman
Tuesday, 10 June 2008, 06:32 PM

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:lmao:  Davide,  [u]All iPhones have GPS[/u].  
They show you a map of [u]where you are[/u]  dots -[b][i]where you friends -are[/i][/b], and you can
click to [u]see dots[/u] for loctions of restarunts, Police Cars, (or Bus stations)  -whatever you ask, and one click [i]gets you directions via shortest route.[/i]
 :shocked!: 
If you computer  is at home (turned off) 
your iPhone can boot it and you can access any  Application, and any file on that computer, and the iPhone  
-[u]will run the application[/u].
 :droll: 
the [b]new iPhone G3[/b]   (twice the speed, more powerful  than a laptop)
does  -a LOT MORE than that
 :koo: and [u]the cost is $199[/u].  [u] -they lowered the price[/u] by  70%
to save  'your chewing gum wrappers

[u]See what it can do[/u]:  (pretty amazing)

[edited the commercial product link - by Tormie]


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Tormie
Tuesday, 10 June 2008, 07:11 PM

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:uuh: it's wonderful but it cost A LOT here (BTW I edited out the link due to our TOS, just keep discussing, but not advertising  :) ) I could buy one in your country but I'll lose the warranty immediatly because they are locked on the operator and obviously I would have to unlock it  :redface: . BTW I'll pass on this because I've not enough bucks now and that is all  :sorry: (Tormie looks at his old cell phone and cries :crybaby: ).

Staying in topic , now I've a hard disk to make some experiments, maybe I'll mount a linux distribution and go for some experiments :wink:


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ahjah
Tuesday, 10 June 2008, 09:00 PM

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Thanks for all the comments
Rayera gave me all the information I needed. If Poser7 works on Wine, Poser6 will do, too, I 'll give it a try (I'll have to wait for the weekend, no time...)
I don't need XP, if Poser works on linux. I don't play any games, for office, I use Open Office, anyway and I will even get used to  The Gimp ;)
I like OpenSource a lot :D
BTW, IMHO Mac is even worse than M$, cos you not only have to buy their software, you have to buy their hardware, too :nono:


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tda42
Tuesday, 10 June 2008, 11:57 PM

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Ok I have a question.
Which Linux OS is the best and where can I download a copy to a DVD? Please leave
a  bookmark when answering this question and what WINE do I use for
the OS system to use Windows things? This is new and others want to know
as well. :redface:


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Tormie
Wednesday, 11 June 2008, 12:10 AM

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You can start here with a Ubuntu distribution

http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu

or kubuntu that has a M$ Window$ feeling

http://kubuntu.com/download.php

I do not know much of the rest for now :dontknow: because I've not it installed but each distribution can be tuned for your needs after some practice. There are also linux distribution that are sold  :nono:


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tda42
Wednesday, 11 June 2008, 12:21 AM

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Thanks Davide. :D


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rayera
Wednesday, 11 June 2008, 01:12 AM

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As tormie said Ubuntu is by far the easier Linux I've used, Ubuntu use Gnome with a Mac OS feel, and Kubuntu with KDE with a MS Windows feel, I preffer Ubuntu with Gnome, way more light in resources and IMHO easier to customize, if somebody need help in some of the basic functions and use I can help, if there are something more complex then I have friends that may tell me the answers, or ask the Ubuntu forums, you will find the help for shure.


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ahjah
Saturday, 14 June 2008, 10:19 PM

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Here's a screenshot of PF on Iceweasle. Kanotix/Debian, KDE 3.5.5


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tda42
Saturday, 14 June 2008, 11:04 PM

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WOW! Nice picture. That explains alot. :ninja:


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ahjah
Saturday, 14 June 2008, 11:25 PM

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:redface:


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Tormie
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 02:29 AM

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:)  :lmao: 

Ok, I installed Kubuntu and passed some sweet hours with it.
I managed to settle the configurations (even my wireless card) , all runs fine and updated
problems with Wine and Poser, sometimes it runs, sometimes not. Actually it is not working (when I try to move something the inside screen disappears)
I tried all kind of different configurations but actually I failed  :sorry: 

I'll test it again tomorrow or later ( :lazy: )


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tda42
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 09:46 AM

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Ok so what you are saying is you had to get the WINE software for Poser
to even come close to work and it is not in the Kubuntu package. What WINE operation did you get and can you point
me to the site? :ninja: This is very interesting by the way. :D


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Tormie
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 10:18 AM

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Ubutnu/Kubuntu makes a plain installation, then it has an automatic upgrading utility, I've it translated in italian, however you find it in the programs menu it's "Add/Remove programs". You have a quick search box, type in it "wine", select it and it will install. Now you can directly install Windows programs by clicking on them, there is also a configuration utility that comes with wine and i found a Winescript that tricks a little the program (winth not much luck...)

You find the .wine (hideen directory) under /home/(your name)/.wine

here it is a windows subdirectory, then also a fonts subdirectory.

I noticed that moving there the fonts that you find in the usual /windows/fonts directory make the installation work better...

BTW with Add/Remove programs you can directly install a lot of programs like blender, firefox, Gimp etc.

About the Wine windows emulation you can find documentation, faq and a forum here

http://www.winehq.org/


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Tormie
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 10:25 AM

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About Poser, Now it is working but as I said I'll have to learn more. 

Actually it is a little slower then the one in Windows, I think it's due to the linux video Driver. I installed the accelerated 3D driver for Ati Cards but I need to find something better.

I'm going to try it with games :yoyo:

I'll let you know.


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Tormie
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 10:31 AM

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An add, I'm trying to render a complicate scene using 4 separate threads together, that was impossible in windows and Poser 7 (I've to use only one) . And it is working :uuh: ...


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tda42
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 11:02 AM

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Very interesting Davide. Keep going. :thumb:


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Tormie
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 11:42 AM

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I just fu**d up my Kubuntu trying to trick with ATI drivers :crybaby: ....

I've to begin from scratch... I want to use Ubuntu instead, rayera says it's lighter...

(but not now... :lazy: )


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ahjah
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 02:01 PM

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:sign2: I didn't dare trying to install Poser, yet. I'm simply happy to have a working system and being able to access all my data, for now. There's a lot to learn. I'm messing with the restrictive rights management, still. :roll: :D
I installed Opera (generic linux) to find out there's i.e. no flash player supported by macromedia for opera@linux so I have to use one of firefox's family browser for the web to work.
All the common stuff, multi media and www works very well. the rest will come step by step ....


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tda42
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 04:07 PM

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So where do you get the driver support for Soundcard and VGA Card? :dash: 


Oh! By the way thats Fu**ed up Torm. Spelling 101. :redface:


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Tormie
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 04:47 PM

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They are already built in, but I wanted to have more :redface:


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rayera
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 06:26 PM

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Yes Tormie, but is not Ubuntu that is lighter but the basic X that is Gnome, is less beautiful and Mac OS like, but lighter.


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Posy
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 06:27 PM


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Next question?  Not many people express themselves the way you do.


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rayera
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 10:07 PM

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I did some test in my Ubuntu and I can install and run Poser 7 and Daz Studio 1.8.2.1 not newer versions of DS nor Poser 5 or 6   :)  I'm using Wine 0.9.59 in Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron


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rayera
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 10:11 PM


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[quote user="Posy" post="39865"]Next question?  Not many people express themselves the way you do.[/quote]

Posy, this is the kind of affirmation ones never know if it's a compliment or a subtle insult  :mmmh: 
But coming from you it can only be a conpliment  :D  :heartbeat:  I think  :eh:


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Posy
Sunday, 15 June 2008, 10:11 PM


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Really you don't think so?


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Tormie
Tuesday, 24 June 2008, 07:31 PM

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It's off topic, but I'm trying Vista 64 bit, it looks like a little better from the first one that I tried and the renders are faster. I'll play with it for a while :yoyo: ...


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rayera
Friday, 29 August 2008, 02:04 AM

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A great news I think for ahjah,  :hi:  I WAS ABLE TO RUN POSER 6 IN UBUNTU  :dance: 
and it runs even faster than P7  :thumb: 

I did it under Ubuntu 8.04.1 hardy,

and thru wine 1.1.3+3dmarkPatch-1

I downloade it from here http://www.getdeb.net/app/Wine

Hope it works for you friend so you can use Poser again and under Linux  :hug2:


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ahjah
Friday, 29 August 2008, 11:50 PM

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:hug2: Thanks, my friend.
I'll give it a try, when I have more time. I have to re-organize my whole sytem. Right now, it's a complete mess. Partitioning, that don't make sense anymore, leftovers of former win installation etc...
At the moment, I'm working with Kanotix linux. It's a Debian based on the Ubuntu kernel, but I'm on KDE. Maybe, I have to try Gnome to get Poser work :mmmh:


