https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1345
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Visitor
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 04:23 PM

Mixture of languages (a game)
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I got this idea when I red some posts in another topic . Just write some sentence in your native language and the other's have to guess what it means by making associations. :bigrinnin: (I red somewhere that the human brain is diffrent from rhe computer's OS because it can make associations. lol  :) ) That way we can learn some phrases in foreing languages. If your native language is engish try some dialect form ... 8-[   :bigrinnin:  :bigrinnin:  :bigrinnin: 
Ok. Here's mine:

 :bigrinnin: Zdraveite fenove na Posette , pozdravi ot Bulgaria!  :bigrinnin:  Vremeto tuk ne e mnogo hubavo , neshto vze da vali v posledno vreme. Ama i az kakvi gi prikazvam !  :lmao:  Prodalgavaite v sustiia duh , strahotni ste!"  :bigrinnin: 

(I'm not sure this was a good idea... 8-[ )


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Visitor
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 05:00 PM


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I know that you are talking about our artform and your country, but beyond that, I am lost.

For my entry in this game, I will use not my native American english rather I will use the laguage of my ancestors.  The spelling will be wrong, because while I have seen written samples of similar laguages, this one have been a verbal only language for me.

Mi Maminga guste litrate de lantarne y bastimente.  Ti sa a dunde per thurva un lantarna de Zenna pur usa en a litratu?

I also used a shorthand that I had developed.  I used it taking notes in class and latter for meetings at work.  Using that shorthand was the only way that I could keep up with the lecture.  It was a combination of scientific, mathematical and electronics symbols with ven diagrams, a few words intermixed with other fast to draw hieroglyphic style glyphs and interconnecting lines and arrows.  I had to stop using that shorthand at work because others started getting suspicious about what I was writing.  Now it has been so long since I used it, I can still read it but have trouble writing it.

I will tell you one thing, nobody who missed a session of a class or a meeting ever asked to see my notes a second time!

Pangor


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rayera
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 06:13 PM


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Erenda: reading your sentence from my lenguage (a dialect of spanish called castellan) it sound like a magical spell to me, all that strange convination of consonants, pronouncind it from the spanish point of view it sound like the lenguage that the vampires speak in the movies :) LOL

Pangor: it seam like an italian dialect, and have some words similar to spanish, besides by this zones of Argentina we have a lot of italians an that sound familiar, I can gess some words but I have no idea of what you are saying, but it seems warm maybe because it has the wordd mia maminga and that sound like my mother.

Here is my sentence: Cuando la tarde se inclina sollozando al oxidente, corre una sombra doliente sobre la Pampa Argentina, y cuando el sol ilumina con luz brillante  y serena, del ancho campo la escena, la melancolica sombra, hulle  besando su alfombra con el afan de la pena...


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Posy
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 06:13 PM


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I fail to see the relevance of that allusion.


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Visitor
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 06:16 PM


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I guess "mi" means "my"  :oops: "y" means "here" and "ti"-"you" (at least that's what it means in bulgarian :oops: ) "per" may be similar to "par" in french it means a lot of things and "un" might be "one".  ](*,)  :-k  8-[ 
What I wrote means " Hello to all Posette's fans , greetings from Bulgaria ! :bigrinnin: The weather here is not very good , it's raining. But what I'm taling about! :lmao:  Keen going , you're all great! :bigrinnin: "

I frequently use the alphabet I ivnented and people couldn't understand anything. They often ask " What kind of language is this?" I enjoy looking at their expressions when I reply :" It's 100% bulgarian!"  :bigrinnin: This irritate the teachers a lot : :twisted:


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Visitor
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 06:32 PM


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Here is my sentence: Cuando la tarde se inclina sollozando al oxidente, corre una sombra doliente sobre la Pampa Argentina, y cuando el sol ilumina con luz brillante y serena, del ancho campo la escena, la melancolica sombra, hulle besando su alfombra con el afan de la pena...
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Ok. "cuando" might be "when" (it's "quand" in french) , "se inclina" might be "incline" ("s'incliner" in french) , "la tarde"-I'm not very sure all I know it's a feminin noun, there is a word "tard" in french , witch means "late" but it isn't a noun :oops: . "oxigente" might be "air" ("oxygenium" in latin) , "uma sombra" may be "one shadow" ,  :oops:  "ilumina" - "illuminate" ("illuminer" in french) , "brillante",it's easy "brilliant" ("brillente" in french :bigrinnin: ) , "serena" might be "moon" ("sellena" in ancient greek) , "campo" may be "camp" , "la escena"-"essence" con't know why 8-[  , "la melancolica sombra" , "a dark melancholy" maybe  8-[  and I have no idea what the rest means :oops:  but thislanguage is beautiful :heartbeat:  :-({|=


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rayera
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 08:28 PM


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Very, very close erenda :clap: , this is the first verses of a poem called "Santos Vega" (Santos is a name but it means Saints too, and Vega is a last name) it's a gauchesco poem (gauchesco is the way that use the gauchos, the rural male people of my country, like the USA cowboys), to speak; even in this first verces there are no special words but the gramma is very gauchesca, full of romanticism and metaphors, it tell the story of a man called Santos Vega who played the guitar in a magic way, enchantig and with a voice that nobody could resist to, one day he was challenged by the Devil in a guitar competition, but the Devil of course was very unfair because he had 6 fingers in each hand, and before he lost and knowing he was going to be taken by the devil he took her own life so that he wouldent go to the heaven but not to the hell as well, and stay in the Pampas for ever scaping and crying for not to be able to play the guitar anymore, but they say that every sound of the Pampas is music made by Santos Vega, :heartbeat: . I love this story since I heard it in the scool, besides I live in the Pampas (the Pampas are a very beautiful zone of my country, a big and green plain that enclose La Pampa, Buenos Aires and Santa Fe states; I live in Santa Fe).
I know I will destry it  :oops: but I'll try to translate:
When the evening bend crying to the east, a suffering shadow runs over Argentinina's Pampa, and when the sun shines with bright and peaceful light, the scene of the whide camp, the melancolic shadow, runs kising its carpet with the desire of the pain...
Of course it's a poem, and in my bad translation it lose the music and the literary meaning of the words... :-({|= 

As you can see:
La tarde is the evening (noun) but tarde mens late too, Es tarde means It's late, and is feminin because of la.
Not oxigente, is oxidente, a synonymous of este that mens east, oxidente is not a word used in everyday speach, it's allmost used in writings only.
serena (fem) sereno (masc)  means peaceful, calm, and it have relation with the Selene the greak silent Goddes of night
escena is scene, stage in theatre.

By the way I dont know the phonetic of your lenguage but pronouncing the words in my spanish it sound beautiful too.  :)


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Visitor
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 09:08 PM


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Rayera, yes, it is one of the older Italian laguages as it has been evolved in this country.  We have many english loan words added in pronounced with Italian sounding phonems.  The funny think is that the way that some of the loan words have been used are similiar to what have been used for those items in the regular latin derived languages.

The english translation is: 
My Mother likes pictures of lighthouses and ships.  Do you know where to find a lighthouse of Genova to use in a picture?

Now I will try yours, with the understanding that I studied four years of Spanish and never got past first three or four chapters of the introductory text book.  The teachers would set that pace for the class to match the slowest students for this subject. Also we kept losing teachers for the subject, so with every new teacher we would have to start the book over from the beginning.  Over and over I learned that, "Juan y Juanita va a la playa"  and "Juan y Janita va a Cuzco con el equipo".

The wierdest situation was with one of our teachers for that language is one that really stands out in my memory.  From what I learned, her full experience with the language came from her having taken two years of Spanish in college--as an "easy course".    She was from the deep south (of this country) and was still trying to loose her cajun accent.  At the beginning of each session, she pronounced spanish words with a very strong english accent with a touch a cajun.  Meanwhile, when I spoke in spanish, I had no trouble with an english accent but I did have a strong italian derived accent.  By the end of each session of class she would no longer have such a bad english accent, rather she was then speaking spanish words with a variation of my accent and a touch of her cajun.

Now I will try:

When late and the sun is in the west, a ..... shadow ... covers the Argentine plains and when the sun shiness with its brilliant and serene light, of the wide field .....  the somber shadow ... with the ... of the pen.


Pangor


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Visitor
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 09:14 PM


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Well, I see you posted the answer even as I was working on my attempt.  That teaches me to not start writing a message and then put it on hold for a family meal.  ;-)

Pangor


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rayera
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 09:30 PM


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Your attemp was great pangor, and for spanish phonetic we, argentinians, speak spanish with italian accent, all Latin America say that, as you know italian don't make plurals adding s at the end of the words but spanish allmost always do, my lenguage teacher allways sayed that we speak like italians without s at the end and a little rough like the germans do because of the colonys of this countrys that surrond Santa Fe, the city where I live; we use a diferent spanish called castellan and it sound very diferent than the mexican spanish, that we have to suport in every badly doubled movie [-(
and as an italian heritage we allways say that The family is first!!! :bigrinnin:


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ahjah
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 10:46 PM


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Here´s one from me :bigrinnin: :

"Wo kà¤men wir denn da hin, wenn alle fragen:'Wo kà¤men wir denn da hin?', und keiner ginge los um zu gucken, wohin wir kà¤men, wenn wir gingen?"

Have fun!


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tda42
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 11:23 PM


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Southern English.

You ens better round up the grub and eat those taters and beans right cheer, I recken.  :-s  :lmao: 


Look it up in the redneck dictionary, they're all there. :bigrinnin:  :lmao:


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rayera
Sunday, 27 March 2005, 11:31 PM


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tda42: I think that  ahjah german is more clear for me :-s


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Visitor
Monday, 28 March 2005, 12:50 AM


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Here´s one from me  : 

"Wo kà¤men wir denn da hin, wenn alle fragen:'Wo kà¤men wir denn da hin?', und keiner ginge los um zu gucken, wohin wir kà¤men, wenn wir gingen?" 
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"wo" might be "where" if "Wo bist du?" means "Where are you?"  :oops: , "wenn alle fragen" - "when everybody ask" not very sure about it ( Where's my old german textbook?  :-? ) , "kamen" might be some form of the verb "komen" witch means "komen" (Why there is an umlaut?  :oops: Because I wasn't careful when we studied german maybe.) "wir" means "we" , "denn"-"when" I guess , "und" means "and" and "keiner"-"nobody" or "nothing"  :-k  I had an "A" in german   :lmao:  :lol:  :lmao:  actually this was the first foreing language I had studied.  8-[  :oops: 

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You ens better round up the grub and eat those taters and beans right cheer, I recken.   
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No idea  :-?  :oops:  :-?  :oops:  #-o  ](*,)


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Visitor
Monday, 28 March 2005, 10:15 AM


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tda42,  I think that you had better eat your meal, and finish those potatos and beans right now.

Pangor


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TdaC
Monday, 28 March 2005, 10:54 AM


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Kenny - i think you better something the food, and eat those potatoes and beens something something, i think.

Ahjah - blablablabla when everybody/all asks: blablablabla? 

Did i come close. 

And now a lovely swedish saying: Smaken à¤r som baken - delad.

LOL


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Visitor
Monday, 28 March 2005, 06:10 PM


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Smaken à¤r som baken - delad.
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No idea again.  :oops:  8-[  8-[  8-[  8-[  ](*,)


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The Mighty Zeus
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 05:28 AM


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Try this one. Although the americans whom have ever been to the deep south may recognize it I doubt our foreign bretherin will be so fortunate. 
[quote] Gaeet yet? Nojoo? Yant to? Aaiiitte. [/quote]


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tda42
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 03:03 PM


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Thilda I think it is this but I might be wrong.  :-k The closes I could come up with was :To taste à¤r sum land-mark.  :) 
As far as what I said, Pangor hit it on the head and you came pretty close with it Thilda. Nice job. As far as the others will sad to say you speak better in your language than I do in my own. :lol: erenda this was a great idea.  :clap:  :bigrinnin:


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TdaC
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 05:34 PM


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LOL  Ok, Kenny you got some of the words right! Here is the translation:

Smaken (the taste as in likes/dislikes, opinions etc) à¤r (is) som (like) baken ( the butt) - delad ( divided, parted, different)

It's a proverb meaning to each their own, we're all different, think/feel differently :dancing: .


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Tormie
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 08:30 PM


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Ok, My turn now  :bigrinnin: ! A very famous phrase:

"[i]Fatti non foste a viver come bruti , ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza[/i]"


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Visitor
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 08:40 PM

Re: Mixture of languages (a game)
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Here is a sample of the shorthand that I used for my class notes, that I mentioned a few posts ago.  Imagine having missed class, you asked me for my notes and then you saw that.  What information could you glean from this fragment?

With paper and pencil, it was fast and easy to write.  With a mouse and gimp!  I was very slow and clumsy.  I used the text tool for writting so that you you not have to read the hoorible mouse written text.

Pangor


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Posy
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 08:40 PM


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Are you giving  				sample of the shorthand that he or she used for his or her class notes that he or she mentioned a few posts ago 			 to me? I can't imagine  having missed class you asked him or her for his or her notes and then you saw that Information is worth money.


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Visitor
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 08:42 PM


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Posy!  No one ever told me that my class notes were worth any money!

Pangor


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Posy
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 08:42 PM


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That is a rather sweeping generalization about people.


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Visitor
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 08:53 PM


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[quote="TORMENTOR";p="19962"]"[i]Fatti non foste a viver come bruti , ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza[/i]"[/quote]

I don't think that I am familir with this saying and there are some key words that don't sound familiar either.  But I will try.

...live like brutes, you can not know virtue.

Pangor


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Tormie
Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 08:55 PM


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:bigrinnin: No!

(suggestion: try a search on the net  :whistle: )


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Visitor
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 03:05 AM


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WoooW!  :bigrinnin: 
@ Pangor,did you write this in the physics classes? :-? It looks like a scheme from my textbook!  :bigrinnin: 
@ TdaC , there's similar proverb in russian "Po vkus i tsvet tavarish net " (Don't try to translate it is not spelled correct :oops: )
Here's another word from  me " Neprotivoconstitutsiovatelstvuvaite! [-X " (I wrote this before somewhere in the forum...I think. :-k )


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Visitor
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 03:21 AM


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By the way my chemistry teacher found this on a little paper when she catched me to crib in a classwork. This is a chemistry formula  :) (believe it or not) :bigrinnin:


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Visitor
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 04:18 AM


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No, erenda, it a fragment of the notes I wrote during a lecture in anthropology class.  It contains the notes of the lecture and of my thought and reactions to it.

This is what it means (normal is lecture notes, boldface is my observations):

Australopithecus Af. from three million year ago evolved into Homo Habilis who evolved into Homo Erectus who in turn evolved into Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis.  Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis existed until twenty thousand years ago or more recent.  [b]There is no evidence that[/b] Homo Erectus evolution branched into the Homo Sapiens Sapiens subspecies as well as the Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis subspecies. OR [b]There is no evidence that[/b] Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis evolved into Homo Sapiens Spient who was already established by fifty thousand years ago.  Homo Sapiens Sapiens, coexisted with Homo Sapiens Neanderthalis for at least thirty thousand years.

[b]The instructor is teched, resistant to questions about the lack of evidence.  The sum of the evidence that he consider is by deduction alone with no contact with actual evidence of the fossil record.  The instructor without any solid evidence religiously defends uniformism and evolutionary equilibrium; therefore,[/b]


                                                                        
It appears that I didn't have time to write the item for the "therefore" at the end.  It looks like the instructor started a new topic in the lecture.  So I had to move on and never did get to finish that thought.
                                                                                

Pangor


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Visitor
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 04:31 AM


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Erenda, that is no chemical formula that I have ever seen.  ;-)

I have not used cribing, but that reminds me on a very fustrating one and a half hours during my final exam in Chem 101.  We had two hours for the final exam, I finished in 1/2 hour, except that I could not remember one word for one question.  So I sat there for one and a half hours trying to remember that one word.  It never came to me.  Then just after leaving the building not even out of its shadow, the word came to me, "isomer"!

Pangor


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Visitor
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 05:40 AM


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I always confuse "isomer" with "isotop". Here's the original formula  :lmao:  :lol:


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Posy
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 05:40 AM


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Is that your final answer?   I'm glad you find this amusing.


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Visitor
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 09:31 AM


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:lmao: That is just what kept happing to me during that examination.  I kept thinking "iso....iso....isptope...NO...iso..iso"  ](*,)  on and on.  ](*,)  In the end I wrote isotope any way, even though I knew it would be wrong.  It was better than leaving the answer blank.  When the score was posted, I saw that was the only error I made!  :lol:

Pangor


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Posy
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 09:31 AM


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And then what happened?


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Tormie
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 09:43 AM


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:lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao: !!! :ROTFL: 


About the translation of "my" phrase, the complete phrase is:

"Considerate la vostra semenza: Fatti non foste a viver come bruti , ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza"

And it's written in Dante Alighieri's "Divina Commedia" during his trip to the hell he meet Ulysses who is there to have challenged God in his last sea trip when he goes after the Pillars of Hercules.

This is the speech that he delivers to his frightened crew to convince them:

"Let consider your understanding: We were not made to live like brutes, but to follow virtue and knowledge"

It's a very famous phrase who explains the thirst of knowledge of mankind even if it's againsts God's laws.


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Visitor
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 06:17 PM


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You are right, I was not even near the real meaning!    :oops:  ;-)

Pangor


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Tormie
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 06:26 PM


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It's an ancient form of italian, you can't simply translate it without knowing well my language...

Erenda's phrases are the most difficult for me  #-o ...


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Posy
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 06:26 PM


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Are there any other ancient for of italian you can not simply translate it without knowing well his or her language ?


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Visitor
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 06:37 PM


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Many Posy, there are many.

Pangor


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Posy
Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 06:37 PM


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Which ones?


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Ozymandias Jones
Thursday, 31 March 2005, 04:02 AM


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You guys...  [-X 

It's all very well for you cosmopolitan types who speak different languages. Us poor Aussies have trouble with english  #-o 

This is an enjoyable thread to browse through.

 :)


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Visitor
Thursday, 31 March 2005, 06:01 PM


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I think I remember some verse from " Divina Commedia". It was something like this:

  "Per me si va nella citta dolente,
   per me si va nel'eterno dolor
   per me si va tra la perduta gente"

Is it spelled correct? :oops:  8-[  8-[  8-[  As far as I remember this was written on the hell's entrance :-s , I always thinked that my high school's name was written on the hell's entrance.... :-k  :lmao:  #-o


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Tormie
Thursday, 31 March 2005, 08:14 PM


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:bigrinnin:  Oh yes ! (Tormie made a web search  :oops: )

The Divina commedia is a good and entertaining book! The problem is that you're oliged to study it at school here  [-( ... So when you become an adult you consider it boring  :whistle: ...


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The Mighty Zeus
Thursday, 31 March 2005, 11:49 PM


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No one even tried mine  8-[  8-[  8-[


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Visitor
Friday, 01 April 2005, 12:15 AM


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I tried, but gave up.  It is ever worse then reading EBCDIC.  ;-)

Pangor


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Tormie
Friday, 01 April 2005, 01:29 AM


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:oops:  :oops:  :oops: Too difficult...


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rayera
Friday, 01 April 2005, 03:28 AM


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Tormentor: I love allmost all books I studied  at the school :-k 
I loved the Spanish and Latin American Literature class :-s 
Maybe I'm an alien!!!  #-o


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TdaC
Friday, 01 April 2005, 10:03 AM


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Rayera - no you're scaring me...... 8-[ ............. :whistle:


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Tormie
Friday, 01 April 2005, 09:59 PM


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8-[  8-[  8-[ ...


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Posy
Friday, 01 April 2005, 09:59 PM


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Where are you located?


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Tormie
Friday, 01 April 2005, 10:02 PM


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Here with you  :heartbeat: !


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Visitor
Saturday, 02 April 2005, 12:59 AM


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I love allmost all books I studied at the school  
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Me too.  :bigrinnin: The only thing I don't like is the "modern" interpretation of classical autors. I had red " Divina commedia" long before we started studing it , maybe that's why I like it  :-k ...exspecially "Hell"  : :twisted:


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Tormie
Saturday, 02 April 2005, 09:55 AM


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I loved them a lot too :bigrinnin: !!! Useful for the stove  :whistle: !


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Visitor
Saturday, 02 April 2005, 04:35 PM


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Wood burning stove?

Pangor


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Tormie
Saturday, 02 April 2005, 09:02 PM


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:whistle:  :whistle:  :whistle:


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Posy
Saturday, 02 April 2005, 09:02 PM


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What do you really want to ask me?


