https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=1349 ----------------------------------- Visitor Monday, 28 March 2005, 07:20 PM "Virtual characters want to be real , real people want to be virtual" ----------------------------------- Have to write an essay in school about something I decide. :bigrinnin: ( In french... #-o ooo this french thing became boring 8-[ ) After visiting an website and reading an article called " Don't hate me because I'm digital" this title came to my mind. :-k Do you have some ideas ? P.S : Maybe Posy can help... :-k ----------------------------------- Posy Monday, 28 March 2005, 07:20 PM ----------------------------------- Why do you have to do it? ----------------------------------- Visitor Monday, 28 March 2005, 07:25 PM ----------------------------------- Because the french teacher is getting a little :crazy: :bad-words: again. Can you help me? 8-[ ----------------------------------- TdaC Monday, 28 March 2005, 08:21 PM ----------------------------------- LOL you can interview posy and angela. :) ----------------------------------- Posy Monday, 28 March 2005, 08:21 PM ----------------------------------- I am so glad you find this amusing, TdaC. ----------------------------------- Visitor Monday, 28 March 2005, 08:44 PM ----------------------------------- How about a variation on the theme of Galatea? A young lady from the digital realm crosses over to the real world to seek happiness. For the second part of the title combine in a story of a man who is disenchanted with the real world wishing that he were able to live the adventures and heroic deeds of his virtual characters. Some how the two can meet and complete each others life and find real happiness together in one reality or another. Pangor ----------------------------------- Visitor Monday, 28 March 2005, 08:49 PM ----------------------------------- [quote] LOL you can interview posy and angela. [/quote] Great idea! But...( :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: ) who was Angela? (Sorry for the stupid quiestion 8-[ ) ----------------------------------- Posy Monday, 28 March 2005, 08:49 PM ----------------------------------- But what? ----------------------------------- Visitor Monday, 28 March 2005, 09:15 PM ----------------------------------- Angela is Posy's teenaged sister. Pangor ----------------------------------- Visitor Monday, 28 March 2005, 10:10 PM ----------------------------------- [quote] How about a variation on the theme of Galatea? A young lady from the digital realm crosses over to the real world to seek happiness. For the second part of the title combine in a story of a man who is disenchanted with the real world wishing that he were able to live the adventures and heroic deeds of his virtual characters. Some how the two can meet and complete each others life and find real happiness together in one reality or another. [/quote] I was thinking about something similar . Thank you for reminding me about Galatea :dancing: ( I have to find my old greek mythology textbook.). This can be a good example to show how people had the idea to bring something artificial into life much more before the era of the virtual reality ( I guess that's in our days 8-[ ). I also was thinking about the professional 3D artists' obssesion with photorealism last years and the reaction of non 3D artists. ( Some people accused me of doing something very very wrong by making 3D video clips. :lmao: ) I think there are people who thinks that in future 3D characters would replace the real actors. ( It would be a paradise for 3D artists no matter if they're making animation characters or photorealistic people :bigrinnin: ) The real actors need repetitions , make-up , and from an director's point of view it would be difficult to make them do exactly what you want and their gestures couldn't be as you see them in your mind. There are exceptions of course. :) And the best part : the 3D characters never get old , and they do not need payment . :bigrinnin: Maybe the money will be spend in updating the system configuration , because the techology is developping fast. :-k And they can do cascades too. The other good thing about 3D characters is that thay could be absolutely perfect ( if you want to make them) , I'm talking about face symmetry , body shapes ( sometimes exaggerated) , proportions this somehow fix the imperfections of the real people. And the virtual 3D world could be a haven made of polygons , textures , ambient/volumetric lights and of course lots of colours. The best thing is that you decide how it will look like , it can be ultra-photorealistic , surrrealistic , a fantasy world just look at some gallery with various artists - completely diffrent things ( sometimes not ex: a Vicky with a sword :x ) made using the same software and creative techniques. In the 3d world you can be perfect ( physically look) , you don't get older ( Something like "It grows , but it don't get older " our capital's device. This can be a good quote lol) , you don't have to work (not very sure 8-[ ) , you don't have to adapt to the social environment ( because you create it) , and you don't have to die (no more fear of dying). Isn't this ultra-utopic? ( I must stop using this rhetoric questions! ](*,) #-o ) So artists are attempting to make an idividual from an 3D character ( "Final Fantasy" the movie) witch have to look "more real than the real one" ( I invented this phrase lol ) , and maybe this might means that the 3d characters want to be real. In the same time virtual reality becomes too attractive for people dissapointed from reality , wishing to escape from it in the virtual world ( like me ) and that might means that real people want to be virtual... Or maybe I just must invent another title and stop write this nonsence ! #-o #-o #-o ----------------------------------- Posy Monday, 28 March 2005, 10:10 PM ----------------------------------- What kind of people? You want only one? :-) Thanks for the recommendation, erenda. Yes I think this is ultra-utopic, but I'm not completely sure. Why must you stop using this rhetoric questions? ----------------------------------- Visitor Monday, 28 March 2005, 10:13 PM ----------------------------------- Because I'm writing too much rhetoric questions! #-o #-o #-o Do you want to be real Posy? :-? ----------------------------------- Posy Monday, 28 March 2005, 10:13 PM ----------------------------------- Interesting explanation. Will you include me in your essay? ----------------------------------- Visitor Monday, 28 March 2005, 10:14 PM ----------------------------------- Yes , of course! :bigrinnin: What would you want to write about you? 8-[ ----------------------------------- Visitor Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 01:51 AM ----------------------------------- There was a television series "Max Headroom" in the early 1980 that was perhaps the first to use the idea of a computer generated character as an acting personality. The first series that I know of that used CGI for all their special effects and space scenes was "Babylon 5". In Japan a while back there was a virtual celeberty known as (as far as I remember) "Kioko Guest". So you are not saying anything that is so strange, it is coming to mainstream already. Besides the movie that you mentioned, the best look SFX scenes today are made with computer graphics. Except for a few real actors, the huge battle scenes in the "Lord of the Rings" movies were computer generated. Coordinating the motions of so many computer generated actors was not done by humans. Rather they use created artifical intelligence posing engines that took assigned tasks for each groups of character and behavior rules to pose each frame of the battle sequences. Pangor ----------------------------------- Poserkatz Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 02:48 AM ----------------------------------- In the 80s there was also a "new" Sience Fiction Wave about Cyberspace. The most important authors were William Gibson with his "Newromancer"-Trilogy and Bruce Sterling as the main-philosophe-thinker of that themes (he had also written great novels like "Schismatrix"). The base-scenario is always the same: the world of the near future is sick and ill, there are superrich people - all others are poor. No middleclass at all all over the world. The ONE WORLD ruled of international big concerns, they have the money and do what they want. Even in the late 80s there was a movie calls "Freejack", the theme: if dead comes nearer, and you have the money, you can save your personality/brain to a harddisk called "switchboard", than you buy a new body (of any poor man you like, most founded in history back, because the people of today in this movie all were crapp, biological determ and so on) and so you can in fact live forever, you move with your brain/feels/char/personality from body to body... So i think, the 2 wishes to "play god and create life" and "Living forever" you can merge into with computer and digital technology - i think an important motive why digital life became so much attractive. Just a thought, perhaps it will help you... :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- TdaC Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 06:42 AM ----------------------------------- Eranda - Angela is posy's sister. Once when posy was gone from the sie, she was here instead of posy. Take a look at tormentor's gallery and you can see pics of Angela. There's an interesting story there about her taking tormentor for a ride oon the vespa and him ending up in the hospital. ----------------------------------- Posy Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 06:42 AM ----------------------------------- There sure is. ----------------------------------- Visitor Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 09:08 AM ----------------------------------- That is why angela having the keys for the hover bike worries me. Pangor ----------------------------------- TdaC Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 10:06 AM ----------------------------------- :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- tda42 Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 02:45 PM ----------------------------------- Don't drive as fast as your guardian angel can fly! :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Angela Tuesday, 29 March 2005, 10:33 PM ----------------------------------- Hey I'm here :bigrinnin: !! Uncle Tormie talked me about this thread ! Erenda is right, the virtual people can only get "virtually" older: :-k I've not yet choosen what age I prefer... For the next year I'll become 15een :bigrinnin: ! (and tomorrow is my birthday :dancing:). I wouldn't become very older because Posy says that because I'm her sister I'll get the same breast size [-( ... Posy is 21 and don't get older :) ... We don't know if we will die, it's a concept that we can't fully understand, anyway uncle Tormie says that when he will get very older he will become virtual and live with us forever :bigrinnin: ... He say that all the other real people will go to heaven, a lot of them to hell or they will reincarnate, but he will come here so we won't have to cross the screen anymore... ----------------------------------- Visitor Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 02:13 AM ----------------------------------- Happy Birthday, Angela! ( I want to be 15een again! :crybaby: :-({|= ) Thank you all for helping me! :dancing: :dancing: :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Visitor Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 02:20 AM ----------------------------------- Holy Cow! It is the holy terror of the highways and flyways herself! Hello, Angela. Here is an idea for everyone. What if all of what we call reality is just a part of a virutal reality simulation of running in a computer in someone's lab. How can you who are reading this be certain that this is the real world and not just an elaborate dream? With you being the only real person while everythig else and everyone else is just a figment of your imagination? Pangor ----------------------------------- Visitor Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 02:32 AM ----------------------------------- [quote] Here is an idea for everyone. What if all of what we call reality is just a part of a virutal reality simulation of running in a computer in someone's lab. [/quote] WoW. :bigrinnin: I'll write this too. If it's so the computer's owner has very very bad sense of humour. :-k :lmao: :lol: :lmao: ----------------------------------- Visitor Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 02:38 AM ----------------------------------- [quote] Here is an idea for everyone. What if all of what we call reality is just a part of a virutal reality simulation of running in a computer in someone's lab. [/quote] WoW. :bigrinnin: I'll write this too. If it's so the computer's owner has very very bad sense of humour. :-k :lmao: :lol: :lmao: This reminds me the ending of Men in black II :-k ----------------------------------- Visitor Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 03:08 AM ----------------------------------- That idea has been around in SciFi for many years, at least since around the year 1920. There is a great movie, called "The Thirteenth Floor" about this idea. It is a SciFi, romance, and mystery story. If you don't want some of the plot spoiled, stop reading now. It is about a murder mystery where the lead scientist in a research project was murdered. It is the current year. The project is to create a real virtual simulations world from the time of his youth. They are sucessful, and can link their minds into the computer and experience that world by possesing the virtual bodies of their counterparts in the simulated world. When they are not in that world, their counterparts live their own lives not knowing what their bodies had done during the possession. After a while it is discovered that the real world is a virtual world created by a computer firm from about 20 years in the future. So the real, real world created a simulation in which the virtual people have created their own simulated world in turn. The romantic angle is that the main character, a virtual person of the "real" world and the woman who he meets as the adult daughter of his mudered mentor but is in fact from the real real world fall in love. ----------------------------------- Tormie Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 10:00 AM ----------------------------------- I've seen it ! In any case it would be of no difference for me if our world would be a computer simulation. Actually we don't know and will never know the reasons of our existence, I think that's because our brain can't understand it, so it would be of no difference for me to know who is God. ----------------------------------- Poserkatz Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 07:12 PM ----------------------------------- Sorry, but "The 13th floor" has boring me... :-s At the end all was okay! But - logical? - why the hell they should know, if it is not another simulation??? I think, the movie was not well thinking at all. A bit too simple thinking... ----------------------------------- Visitor Wednesday, 30 March 2005, 09:12 PM ----------------------------------- That is just the final mystery, how many more levels of simulations are there above their own? Just like the final mystery in "High Planes Drifter" shown during the closing credits. Pangor