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Visitor
Tuesday, 04 October 2005, 09:23 AM

What is Helloween about?
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Yes , it's stupid to ask that why when I can use Google but I want to hear some personal impressions. So what is this holiday about and what does it means to you? :lol:  :)


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Tormie
Tuesday, 04 October 2005, 10:12 AM


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:uuh:  :uuh:  :uuh: Here ? It's not a traditional thing here , but if there is fun I'm present  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: !!


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posfan
Tuesday, 04 October 2005, 01:48 PM


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It's not traditional here, too. But it's getting more and more popular, especially since November 1st is an official holiday so there's enough time for celebrating  :lol:


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JanReinar
Tuesday, 04 October 2005, 01:56 PM


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It is the same here! It's not a official holiday or a tradicional date but 27/09 is a tradicional Brazilian date to give candies to the children and the candy traders made a strong effort to increase Halloween popularity.  :wink:


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Tormie
Tuesday, 04 October 2005, 09:03 PM


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Yuhm !! Candies ! :droll2:


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JanReinar
Tuesday, 04 October 2005, 10:33 PM


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:lmao: Maybe they could pay free air tickets from Italy insted produce Fantasy Parties!  :lmao:


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Tormie
Tuesday, 04 October 2005, 11:22 PM


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:yes: :yes: :yes: :pray:  :pray:  :pray:  :lol:


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Posy
Tuesday, 04 October 2005, 11:23 PM


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:-) Hmm.  I lost my train of thought.


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Tormie
Tuesday, 04 October 2005, 11:23 PM


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:heartbeat:  :heartbeat:  :heartbeat:


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JanReinar
Wednesday, 05 October 2005, 12:32 AM


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:lmao:


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rayera
Wednesday, 05 October 2005, 01:12 AM


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The same like in Brazil (JanReinar) here in Argentina, is not traditional here, and the candy brands spend a lot of money trying to make it popular with special offers and ornaments in every shop, small or big, (specially a big brand called Arcor), but the true is the people and specially the childs are a little indiferent to it, the true is only some dance clubs and discos do some parties with costumes, personally I don't care it too much by now I know we have some more fun and nice special days like the friend days, the spring day, the childs day, carnaval (much more fun in Brazil  :dance: , isn't it John?) and the sweetnes day ( a kiss for a candy)  :prrr:  :prrr:   :lol:  :lol: 

Enyway, it's good that every society has their own traditions, respect them, and not to try to impose it to others just for comercials matters


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JanReinar
Wednesday, 05 October 2005, 01:15 AM


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:lol:  I have to agree rayera!


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Visitor
Wednesday, 05 October 2005, 03:47 AM


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Halloween began as an ancient pagen holy day called "All Hallow Eve" usually pronounced "Alls Hallow Eve".  It was in the ancient calanders known as a tween time, a between time.  Tween places and tween times were considered where and when the supernatural powers would be strongest.  Some groups of withches held their sabeths on "All Hallow Eve" and others used "All Hallow" (the next night)

Halloween was once considered the night that the dead and other spirits walk the world again, often seeking revenge or hungering for the living.  To appease them, food would be left outside the door that night to feed the spirits and dead so that they would not harm those living in that house.

It was considered that if someone would travel outside on that night, he would not survive unharmed, killed, consumed by evil, disappear, or become posessed.  Those who did go out on that night would dress like the dead so that the spirits would not know he is alive abd they would leave him alone.

With the arrival of Christanity, many of the older holidays were assorbed into the new religion and made to have a more Christian feel.  By having Christian Holy days on the same days as those of the older religions was an attempt to make it difficult for some one to become a Christian and still honor the older Religions and to confus the memories of the older holy days, so that they would fade away into history.  All Hallow Eve and All Hallow became the Christian holy days of obligation named "All Saints Day"

As time went by, the seriousness of the old holy day now called Halloween was forgotten.  The habit of dressing as the dead for protection evolved into the costumes more silly than scary or goulish.  In some countries it faded away completely, in others parades of costumed people (similar to the old custom of the fools parade on all fools day) who would call on dwellings from hovels to castles and would be given food.

With the discovery of the Aztecs by Europeans, one of their holy days for the dead became the Mexican holy day called the "Day of the Dead".  A side effect of that contact, the connection of Halloween and the dead was restored.

Currently in America, Halloween is softened to a day for costume parties, childern playing "Trick-or-Treat", and pranks.  "Trick-or-Treat" is a traditional game where childern will dress up in costumes and go from house to house ringing door bells.  When the door is opend they call out "Trick or Treat!".  They will be given candies or apples, etc. That is the Treat.  If there is no answer or not treats are given, they are now expected to go away, but by tradition they will play a prank, that is the "Trick".

Starting when I was a child, "Trick-or-Treat" in its traditional form has been fading into history.  Due to incidents reported into news where childern were given apples with razor blades in them, or candies and other treats laced with poison or narcotics.  The candy companies are trying to keep "Trick-or-Treat" alive.

The costume parties and scary themes and such are more common these days, and of yes the idiots who think they can cause all kind of trouble on that day and night and call it all good fun.

Pangor


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Posy
Wednesday, 05 October 2005, 03:48 AM


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Yet there is not.


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tazman
Wednesday, 05 October 2005, 11:39 AM


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I am not into Halloween at all.
Taz


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Ozymandias Jones
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 02:15 AM


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It was not so big in Australia when I was a kid, but with the increase in US culture throughout our media it has become quite a celebration... lots of lollies for the kids and fancy dress parties for the grown-ups.

But it had no special meaning to most of us down under, just an excuse to let our hair down for a night!  :dance:


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TdaC
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 05:21 PM


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Here we celebrate All Hallows Eve and not halloween.  We go to cemitaries and put candles on the graves of people we know who have passed away, we remember them and honer them.  Often there's also a 15 min long mass in the evening at the cemitary. It looks really beautiful with all the candles on the graves at night.

If you click on the link, u can see what the cemitaries looks like with all the candles in the evening.

http://www.svenskakyrkan.se/tcrot/ikon-v2/hogtider/203_allhelgona.htm


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Tormie
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 05:27 PM


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Very suggestive Thilda !


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JanReinar
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 05:41 PM


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Thanks for the link Thilda!  :)


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Visitor
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 06:33 PM


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Thanks Thilda.

I did realize that the ancient name of the day is still in use. ;-)

Pangor


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Ozymandias Jones
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 10:27 PM


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Wow, Thilda, that is so cool. It's nice to see that some people have a traditional reason and celebration for Helloween... and it's not just about commercialism :)


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posfan
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 11:49 PM


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[quote="TdaC";p="25503"]Here we celebrate All Hallows Eve and not halloween.  We go to cemitaries and put candles on the graves of people we know who have passed away, we remember them and honer them.  [/quote]

That's something we do on All Saints Day here.


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Posy
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 11:49 PM


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How often?


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posfan
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 11:50 PM


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Once in a year Posy


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Posy
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 11:50 PM


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When? Describe your surroundings.


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posfan
Thursday, 06 October 2005, 11:51 PM


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:uuh:  :uuh:


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JanReinar
Friday, 07 October 2005, 12:04 AM


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Only Posy can say someting like this! :lol:


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Posy
Friday, 07 October 2005, 12:12 AM


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Suppose I said yes.


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Posy
Friday, 07 October 2005, 12:24 AM


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What about the other ones?


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JanReinar
Friday, 07 October 2005, 12:25 AM


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They are not like you lovely lady! :)


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Posy
Friday, 07 October 2005, 06:30 AM


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I use a pumpkin with the rice for a special recipe  :) !


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Tormie
Friday, 07 October 2005, 06:31 AM


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(  :sick:  :sick:  :sick: )


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Posy
Friday, 07 October 2005, 06:33 AM


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:snooty:  :snooty:  :snooty: And I have to get it to Tormie's cats because no one want to try it...


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Tormie
Friday, 07 October 2005, 06:35 AM


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( My cats wonder who want to poison them  :sick:  :sick:  :sick: )


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Posy
Friday, 07 October 2005, 06:35 AM


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I heard a whisper  :mmmh: ...

:ibrakeyou: :ibrakeyou: :ibrakeyou:


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Tormie
Friday, 07 October 2005, 06:36 AM


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:uuh:  :whistle:


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Visitor
Friday, 07 October 2005, 08:05 AM


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:lmao: 

Calm down Posy, you only heard a Halloween ghost trying to talk to you.

<Tormie, please becareful.>

Pangor


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Posy
Friday, 07 October 2005, 08:05 AM


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Are we still talking about [quote]
 
 that?   Is that your final answer?


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Visitor
Friday, 07 October 2005, 08:06 AM


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Posy, we are talking about ghosts who are making fun of your cooking.

Pangor


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Posy
Friday, 07 October 2005, 08:06 AM


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How old are you?


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Visitor
Friday, 07 October 2005, 08:26 AM


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It is under my avatar.

Pangor


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rayera
Saturday, 08 October 2005, 10:45 PM


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Ha! Thilda, that's more like the way we conmemorate here, we call 31th of October El dia de los Muertos (All death people day) and 1st of November Todos los Santos (All Saints Day) but we usually light candles in our home all nigh long to pray for the soul of our loved people that passed away, and we have a big mass at midnight, it's very beautiful listen all the bels of the church of the city at midnigh specially in the downtown where we have a big concentration of old churchs with very big bells, maybe this traditions don't let the tradition of the candys to stablish here I think the memory of the people we love is stronger, but I think is just a question of time for it to win. The most we did when we was kids, and maybe the new kids still doing, is to gather in the house of some friend to tell some horror stories.
I know that all this may sound like latin american pagan catolic, pictures with candles and flowers, procession by the city with candles, the bells giving midnight anouncing the redimmed and the posibility of all of us can be saints and that the evil can't corrupt a saint soul in the the day of all the Saints, but well, are beautiful traditions that slowly are losing, besides those days the orchestra and the chorus of the state usually play some religious music in some churche, and after a long restauration the theatre of the city councyl get to its 100 aniversary reopen, so I think w are going to have a great All death people day (Or all souls day?) I don't know the correct translation


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Posy
Saturday, 08 October 2005, 10:45 PM


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Who told you that?


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rayera
Saturday, 08 October 2005, 10:46 PM


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I've seen it by myself Posy.


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Posy
Saturday, 08 October 2005, 10:46 PM


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What did it look like to you?


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rayera
Saturday, 08 October 2005, 10:49 PM


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:eh:  I don't have pictures to show you, sorry  :oops:


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Posy
Saturday, 08 October 2005, 10:49 PM


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I spent some time in Canada as a child.


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rayera
Saturday, 08 October 2005, 10:50 PM


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:eh:  :eh:


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Visitor
Saturday, 08 October 2005, 11:58 PM


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Rayera, the precise translation is "The Day of the Dead".  However, on the church calandar here it is called "All Souls Day".  That sound so much nicer than how it is celebrated here.  Our churches are open only at one mass time a week, and locked the rest of the time, unless someone pays for a special mass.  That is not how it was when I was little, but it is now.  :sad: 

Pangor


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rayera
Sunday, 09 October 2005, 02:04 AM


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Here gives several mass a day and allmost all are open until 9:00 pm specially the downtown old big churches that are churches, museums and some are National monuments too at the same time, in special religious days they are open all day and as I mentioned some concerts too because of the acoustic, but maybe because, as you may know, roman catholic is the oficial religion here, anyway I have a protestant friend that like to go to pray at a catholic church (St Francis Monastery) because of the the special ambient that place has


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TdaC
Sunday, 09 October 2005, 10:10 AM


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Here the churches are open mon-fr 8.00 - 22.00, sat 8.00 - 20.00 and sunday 8.00 - 22.00. 
Everyday there's laudes at 8.45, on thuesdays there's also a mass during the day and on friday at 7.30 (and then the church is open for ppl to eat breakfast together).
Everyday there's completorium at 21.00. A mass on wednesday at 18.00, vesper on saturday and a big mass on sunday. 

On christmasand easter the churches are open 24 hours a day.

Everyday there are different groups, studies, singing, gatherings....


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JanReinar
Sunday, 09 October 2005, 01:11 PM


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Here the churches  are open 8:00 to 9:00 but weekends when 7:300 to 9:30. In some special like "All Souls Day" the can go to 11:00 and on christmasand easter the churches are open 24 hours a day like Thilda's country!


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Visitor
Sunday, 09 October 2005, 05:21 PM


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During my childhood and teen year, our churches were like all of yours too.

After that, everything started to change.  Now most parishes don't even have a single priest, instead they will travel to a church for one mass a week and then when mass is over the clear the building and lock the doors.  It is so different now, from when I was little.

On the inside of the doors I have seen a signs that read "This door to be kept lock at all times except during business hours."  The first time I saw that it was so strange to me, that I froze and stared at it.  It made me feel very sad, and a little lonely.  The bells, statues, alters, etc are disappearing from our churches.

I hope this is true for only our local diocese, but I fear that it is more widespread than here alone.

Pangor


