https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=886
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Wheelchair
Monday, 12 July 2004, 03:37 AM

A rant
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I hate Poser Pros #-o I posted a  render that took me more then just a few hours to do. I never got a comment posted before it sunk to the second page. It's not a  community over there, it's a dam  meet market! 

end of rant :bigrinnin:


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Deviant_Viking
Monday, 12 July 2004, 06:50 AM


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If you don't suck up to others, you won't be getting any comments over there. I've noticed that as of late, since I haven't really found anything to comment on that I haven't seen a million times before, and I hardly get any comments myself.
If I do comment on peoples work, then I tend to get more replies myself.
It varies of course, sometimes I don't get replies when I comment, and other times I do get replies even if I haven't commented..
But yeah, it's turned into a big market over there. You don't sell anything, you're not worthy attention.


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Tormie
Monday, 12 July 2004, 08:58 AM


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I was not there for a long while, I use only to post there my pictures. In this period I have enough time to watch the galleries only once a week or two, so I prefer to comment the pictures here  :heartbeat: first. When I post something on renderosity I get comments from my little group of fans who have me in their favourite's artist list... I don't know what's happeing there, but I suppose that much is due to the summer period... PoserPros, Renderosity and other places ARE markets with a forum and a gallery, you're supposed to know it...


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tda42
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 12:34 AM


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It is summer here and people are out sunning.Me included not to mention moving around.So I think when winter comes here it will get better in America as far as that is concerned.As for people, well they are to stuck on themselves there.They think the name Poser Pro makes them a pro.All I know is Pro means one thing.It means you do it for a living and make money out of it.You can also produce shit and still be a pro. :-k


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Den Tracy
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 02:05 AM


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It has nothing to do with summer.
There is a totally different group of people over at PoserPros, lately.
It is about the people and their mentality.

The people there are only interested in fashion, textures, portraits, fantasy
and what others think of the store products or product WIPs.

Ken is more or less right.
If you aren't a merchant, you won't get much attention for the most part.

I won't kiss anybody's ass for views or comments, anywhere...


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Ozymandias Jones
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 03:15 AM


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When I first started visiting forums, and particularly PP, WheelChair, I was universally ignored by all. Then I started commenting on everything, joining every thread, etc, etc... suddenly I was everybody's friend. My comments in the threads weren't simply ignored as before, and anything I posted garnered a few comments and a respectable amount of hits.

But that grows tiresome after a while. Just like being part of the 'in crowd' does at school. Too much work for the end result. So I just visit the gallery when I can find the time, comment on what I like and leave the rest. I haven't even visited there for a good few weeks. 

That's why I hang around here... lets all go to the bar and sing... 'We need a place where we can go, where everyone knows your name..' :bigrinnin: Grab your drink, Cheers!


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Ozymandias Jones
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 03:18 AM


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Just another thought. A few months back I remember a hugh exodus from Renderosity and all these people joining PP and anouncing themselves as ex'rosity members. 

I'd say the changed mix of members might have something to do with it as well :-k


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Wheelchair
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 03:30 AM


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:dancing: thanks good people! Good to have friends here. 

I don't do net art to just throw it up against a blank wall. The net should be a place to form friendships in communities like this one :clap: Ya Posetteforever :-({|= a song goes here............ Come on Den, your the best at getting a sing along going :wink:


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Den Tracy
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 04:25 AM


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I never knew that you had one posted over there Harold, so I went there.

I found your pic Harold, and posted a comment. What happens over there at PP's is that
people you've never heard of anywhere, pick an artist and comment on just
about everything that he or she does, then disappear, forever.
There is a member over there who will comment on thirty, fifty  or more images,
mostly nudes and portraits, thus burying every new post.
He does this every few days.  Commenting on a piece done in 2002 makes no
sense to me, especially if the artist has never been back in 2 years.
 
Yours only has 34 views, but is bumped to page 1.  :bigrinnin: 

Also, people are extremely jealous over there and hate to be outdone,
especially by me and my P4 characters.   :bigrinnin: 
Instead of encouraging you, they will ignore you, hoping that you will go away.
That is so junior/senior high in the mentality department.
I ignore most of the images and the egomaniacs who "make" them or should I 
say make images with everything store bought, right from the character to the poses.
Then they wait for someone to tell them how good it is.   :roll:


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Tormie
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 04:27 AM


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:-k I think I'm not a Pro... I'm a noob !  :crybaby:  :crybaby:  :crybaby: 

I don't understand Den, he kissed my ass a lot of times...  :prrr:  :prrr:


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Posy
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 04:28 AM


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:sick:  :sick:  :sick:  :sick:


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Deviant_Viking
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 05:50 AM


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There are a few people over at PP that'll comment on your work because it's good, and not because of how you comment.
But I suppose you can come off as an elitist if you only post your work and don't comment at all (all post and no commenting would mean alot of pics without any replies  :-({|=  )

I don't think I've commented on a single picture on 'Rosity though. I do however get a decent amount of replies on most of my work, which I prefer since they comment due to my skills and not after how much I've commented on other works.

If people don't comment on my work just because I don't comment on theirs, then I don't want their comments anyway..


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Tormie
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 09:50 AM


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:-?  Do you post your works ? Really ?  :-s


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Den Tracy
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 12:54 PM


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You've hit the nail on the head, Ken !
People should comment because they like what they see, or get something out of what they see.
Most of the time, I try to be polite and reply to images because they are new people or other
reasons.
I didn't get the number of posts over at PP's from replying only to my own stuff.
With nothing in my gallery, I have over 750 posts.

My posts are somewhat bizarre and original in content, so sometimes I get a few comments.
I still have to humiliate many "artists" with a few more Connie's Poser 101, before I bail out.
After that, few people will have any use for me and I could care less.


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pbnj
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 05:27 PM


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[quote]
That is so junior/senior high in the mentality department. 
I ignore most of the images and the egomaniacs who "make" them or should I 
say make images with everything store bought, right from the character to the poses. 
Then they wait for someone to tell them how good it is. 
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that's so disgustingly sad and true!  you know i couldn't wait to get outta high school and now that i've been out for a while im finding out that so many 'adults' still behave just like the people i hated in high school.  snotty, jealous, clique-ish, etc.   ](*,) 

It's electronic paperdolls for so many people and that really makes it hard for me to leave comments.  it doesn't take imagination or skill to throw a bunch of random newly bought items together.  i won't lie or kiss ass to get comments either :x , i could care less if people comment.  i do my art becuz its something i really enjoy and a outlet for personal expression and weird ideas that rattle around in my head.  i personally want to learn and grow in my art, while the people cranking out 1-2 'pre-fab' images a day just want a pat on the head and a cookie.    :sick: 

i can honestly say i love looking at all the images here.  there is more thought and creativity in one image here then there is in 20 image over at Poser Pros or Renderosity.  each of you have your own niche and style, and you do it so well!   :)


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Tormie
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 08:08 PM


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:lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao: Sorry for the laugh pbnj, but from an "adult" point of view I prefer the underage way of thinking, more hope, less stupidity. I see every day how many stupid people are walking around and how many of them are egomaniacs. I think that there is no hope for the world because of these people, they outnumber the "thinking" people. I'm glad that this little place is full of "thinking", interesting, creative people and I promise you all to keep it alive as long as I'll be able to drive a bus (... even if there are people who say that I'm >NOT< really able to driva a bus  :whistle:  :whistle:  :whistle: )


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Den Tracy
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 08:17 PM


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pbnj:
I agree that people tend to treat Poser characters as dress up dolls.
It shows in the images and reflects the lack of creativity when a character
looks like a moulded toy with minimal joint movement.
Most characters look too stiff to me and are void of expression.

You are quite good at what you produce for Sara as well.
I have the original Sara, but don't really care for Sara II.  The character
looks like another fashion doll, to me anyway.

Some people tell me that I am having way too much fun with my characters.
I guess that they aren't having any fun with their characters.
Maybe they should... :bigrinnin:


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pbnj
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 08:28 PM


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Some people tell me that I am having way too much fun with my characters.
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bah that's not possible.  you're characters are so great and loveable becuz you have so much fun!  they have their own personalities and quirks, they are full of life.  they're not at all like the zombies and mummies that are all over the poser community.

thank you :)  maybe its becuz she came with nothing and has now been all but abandoned but i feel very attached to sara and i see so many possibilities with such a cute toonish model.  it's a shame daz is too worried people are going to like her better then g.i.r.l. becuz there are a lot of people who missed out on getting version 1 of sara.  im going to start making some face morphs for sara 2 when i get done with a couple more sara 1 projects.

i have a new freebie character im going to upload tonight   :D


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Tormie
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 08:56 PM


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:-k  :-k It looks like we need more space for Sara... I'll do something in the weekend  :bigrinnin: .

I can't do it now because :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:


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pbnj
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 09:41 PM


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its no worry ive been linking the downloads from my server  :)


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guiltypleasures
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 09:51 PM


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I got in on this thread late, but I believe you have all summed it up great. I know I've been wondering what is going on at pp's for awhile now. I thought it was just me but when I was going though my health issues with my hands and wasn't able to type much, which means hardly any comments by me were posted on all my sites, and about that same time I noticed that the comments to my artwork posted on pp's site started to drop off as well. Hmm...I think to myself is there a link between me not being able to make comments and so now I'm not getting any either? lol Oh well, I know where and who my friends are, and like you all said, if I have to comment my fingers to the bone just so others will comment on my work, it's not worth the effort. I'll comment on what I think is good, not to stroke anyone's ego's :)
Okay, now let's all go over to the bar and have a cold beer and see if Norm's there yet  :bigrinnin:


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Tormie
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 11:29 PM


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its no worry ive been linking the downloads from my server 
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 :bigrinnin: No, I thought something about a dedicated Sara section in the free stuff page !

It could also be done by the ( now disappeared  8-[ ) admin of the free stuff page ( Bubba (  :x ) likes reggae too )


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Tormie
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 11:42 PM


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I'm with you GP, I've a very big "favourite's artist" page made of people who commented my pictures, but I like only few of them, because of that big list, I had a lot of emails every day saying that there was a new picture to see. Little by little all those posts stressed me and I began to stop watching pictures. Now I've to start choosing only what I like and comment only those pictures, or I will see nothing at all also here ! I realized only a little time ago that all those "friendly comments" caused me stress and inability to see ALL the pictures.

I'm very sorry for my behaviour because I've people outside here who comments my pictures every time even if I don't do the same with them !  :oops:  :oops:  :oops: people like artistheat, SamTherapy, zoku01, spook and Magician... I invited them here a lot of times but they never come...

I've to find a new way or I will loose the taste for watching digital art  8-[  8-[  8-[


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Den Tracy
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 01:09 AM


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Don't worry about when, where and to whom you make comments, Davide.
We all have noticed the absence of certain individuals from the galleries.
They come by when they can and that is fine with everyone, that I am sure.

The commercial sites are destroying 3D art and that is indicative of the responses
(comments and views) that some of us have been getting.

If it means making comments to images that have nothing to offer, just for the
sake of people to look and comment at your own efforts, then it is time to step away.
All that I can say is that I have proved that you do not need  commercial
products to make people want to see your efforts.

Over two years, I developed a style and content that was copied, but never equalled.
I made people laugh and want to look at my P4 characters that some, over time, knew as well as I did.
That was better than any amount of views or comments could ever achieve.
I made a connection with some of my readers and that is something that I will always remember.
Now comes the difficult part...
They will all figure it out  in time.


