https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=975 ----------------------------------- tda42 Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 01:55 PM I Don't Believe This Bunch Of B---S--- ----------------------------------- Well I guess this is where I take over Den's job. #-o The sad reality of Renderosity rejecting and putting a warning on my record for posting Goth 25:1. [-X Read this. I just want to throw up. :sick: Instant Message from SndCastie: Hello tda42, Your recent poser gallery image, "Goth 25.1" has been removed because it violates Renderosity's Terms of Service. I would like to direct your attention to this specific section of the Terms of Service. No Torture [defined as: the infliction of intense pain (as from burning, crushing, wounding, crucifixion) to punish, coerce, or afford sadistic pleasure] Please take the time to review Renderosity's Terms of Service http://www.renderosity.com/index.ez?viewLink=193 Please refrain from posting images of this type in the future. This warning has been noted in your member record. SndCastie Renderosity Moderator My reply to this IM Hello :) I am an artist with diffirent views at looking at things.I myself have never looked at the world of Gothic values but my complaint with this is why now. I have seen worse here and crucifixion part maybe what it falls under but one can not help to say that I have seen Jesus here on a cross and do not understand the diffirence. You have to be a little flexable with these terms. It was simply to get people to think. I had stated in the texture part what was to take place in my art. I am not in to satin worship and really Gothic to be quit honest with you. But I am sad that it was removed because you said that if I had not put down it had violent and nudity content that it would be removed.I did just that and it was removed anyway. I was simply in my art explaining that as humans we kill for things we do not understand and if our creator came back as a diffirent form such as a women we would kill all over again. That is what the art was about.I would like you to remove anything that might hurt me in my records here. If you do not change your mind about this I will try to understand it but you need to change the ways the rules are here because in my art it ment something diffirent. It ment me having the freedom of just being me and nothing more. Thank you and have a great day. Kenny Konig (tda42) ----------------------------------- Deviant_Viking Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 02:21 PM ----------------------------------- 'Rosity got a stick the size of a flagpole up their ass when it comes to stuff like this. they're afraid of offending anyone. I've got a similar image removed due to it being crucifixion, and several images flagged as 'violence' when i feel they don't deserve. All you can do is suck it up and bitch about the stupidity that is 'Rosity at other place like this. As I said back when I got my image removed.. I find it amusing that considering they see crucifying as torture, but only pics displaying Jesus crucified allowed, it's apparently then A-OK to torture Jesus : :twisted: ----------------------------------- tda42 Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 02:31 PM ----------------------------------- Thanx Ken. I'm glad we see eye to eye on this. That is all screwed up and I don't see any different in what I just did as just being an artist. I have built another cross. Lets see where I can put this one up over there. :pottytrain2: ----------------------------------- tda42 Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 03:23 PM ----------------------------------- Get this. In the Poser Gallery of YOU KNOW WHERE someone has been kind enough to post a violent Poser seen of a women being axed to death in a bath tub. Ooooh boy does this hit the edge of the rule book or what. Bloody as all get up. Hurry up and see what they can post and I can not. A woman on a cross, a woman in a bath tub. What's the differents? Ahem, [-X I know what you guys will say , please allow me to smash my head into the wall a few times before saying it will you please. ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) ](*,) Ok go ahead. :roll: ----------------------------------- Landman Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 04:10 PM ----------------------------------- sounds like a double standard to me.... :-s a simple warning prior to entering the site would probably be in order to cover anyones behinds..... :-k ----------------------------------- pbnj Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 04:52 PM ----------------------------------- [quote] As I said back when I got my image removed.. I find it amusing that considering they see crucifying as torture, but only pics displaying Jesus crucified allowed, it's apparently then A-OK to torture Jesus [/quote] My thoughts exactly. According to the bible he was tortured before and after being put on the cross, seems like they forget that and somehow see it as artistic. Who thinks Jesus would see it the same way? As a matter of fact I've wondered on a number of occasions why exactly people want to see their 'savoir' being brutally tortured. I'm sure those tacky images are the last thing he's gonna want see if he comes back. ----------------------------------- TdaC Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 06:16 PM ----------------------------------- Sorry to hear that you got banned. In a way i am surprised, i mean i don't see this as a tos violation. On the other hand i'm not surpriced, this isn't the first time i have seen images that i felt didn't violate the tos got pulled, while images that i do feel violate the tos gets to stay. [-( I've also seen Jesus on a cross over at rosity and various torture pix, don't know how they're thinking. There's a double standard and i do feel that the tos isn't equally aplied to everyone. Maybe we should tell ( :x ) ----------------------------------- JanReinar Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 06:29 PM ----------------------------------- I find this one at Renderosity in five second of shearch [img]http://www.renderosity.com/photos/GAL_200404/GalleryImage640556.jpg[/img] No pain here? Think that your picture has been removed because it violates Renderosity's Terms of Service! You don't purchased ther crucifixion kit for V3, V2, V1/3! I am with you Kenny! ----------------------------------- Tormie Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 07:06 PM ----------------------------------- Hi Kenny, I'm sorry for what happened to you, they have done the same with me some times ago. I've a more pragmatic point of view about such kind of things and I haven't protested (I simply chatted about it here and there, bad words against RR :whistle: ): They have their rules and one has to follow them to stay there (another good reason to come back HERE :bigrinnin: )... I think that they haven't banned you (or yes ?), In any case I'm going to lurk the album just to remove that picture from here too :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: ... [quote] I find it amusing that considering they see crucifying as torture, but only pics displaying Jesus crucified allowed, it's apparently then A-OK to torture Jesus [/quote] :lololol: ----------------------------------- tda42 Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 08:08 PM ----------------------------------- Ok all. First let me say thank you all that I have friends. I am not banded from Renderosity all together but the picture was pulled because of the woman on the cross. Now mind you I am a gentleman. I believe in taking care of the fair sex. But geeeeez :roll: it was just art that was a welcome home present for GP. :) I was proud of it seeing how I had never done a goth picture before. Had put a text of a story along with it saying what if Jesus came back in another form. Would we kill her too. :-k That's all it was and baaaaaam. :-s Reeeejected! =; Here is a reply about the reason back from them and I have asked if they would reconsider. I don't really expect a reply though. Oh well. Move on I guess. Anybody got a suit case that I might can borrow to pack my things up over there? :) Here is what they said and here is my reply toward what they said. Ahem. Enjoy! :bigrinnin: Second IM Replying to message from SndCastie: " to tda42, Removing your image does in no way criticize your art, nor your craft, but there are very clear guidelines on what Renderosity allows to be placed in the galleries. We encourage you to express yourself through your images, but please keep within the TOS of the site.If you don't understand our TOS please let us know and we will see if we can get it translated for you. Also if you would like this image reviewed then please feel free to contact Spike or anyother Administrator and ask for a review. Thank you very much. SndCastie Renderosity Moderator " My reply IM Hello :) I have noticed that you have spoke about me being criticized for my art and craft. Please understand that this was a harmless work of art. I do not and I want to make myself clear on this, do not in anyway play the role or am a member of a craft. I understand your job taking care of things out here and I am sure it can be a messed up situation sometimes. But I would like you to get together with the people of this community and look at the rules a bit. There was a posting today of an ax murderer who had just cut up a woman in a bath tub. All I am saying in my art is not just it be Goth but religion as well can not understand the diffirence between a woman on a cross and a woman in a bath tub ax to death. The woman is in fact Jesus taken on another form and had come back to earth only to be put to death all over again because it is our nature to kill things that pose a threat or place something out of our lives we don't understand. So in the art it stated they kill Jesus no matter what the out come. It was only to get the art to be powerfull and have meaning. I would be pleased if you would do me the honer to forward this to the good people in charge of this site to look at this as a learning curve for future use of rules. It just seems only fair and only right. If more text is needed for people to understand what this is and that its not some run of the mill person who gets there kicks out of seeing woman getting killed and nailed to a cross. Then I think the problem is solved. If not then artist do not have a freedom to express themselves here. Again I wuld like for this to be reviewed and I would like if you will forward it to them as a Moderator. If not then I am at a loss that I was rejected from a rule that needs to have guide line in and of itself. Thank you very much for your time and have a great day. Kenny Konig (tda42):) ----------------------------------- Tormie Tuesday, 21 September 2004, 10:29 PM ----------------------------------- Better to stop it Kenny, it's useless, they will never change their mind... :-({|= :-({|= :-({|= ----------------------------------- ahjah Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 05:58 AM ----------------------------------- My opinion: Art is ´bout gettin people to think about. You cannot get people to think without offending and provocating a bit. That´s what art is about... `Rosity isn´t about art but about $$$. These two things dont go together too well [-( I only go there for the freebies :bigrinnin: PS: I grew up as a catholic and was cofronted with this crucified guy from my early childhood. being in kidergarten we had tis boy hanging from almost every wall. It really scared me to dead when I was three years old 8-[ 8-[ 8-[ ----------------------------------- tda42 Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 12:51 PM ----------------------------------- Ok I will take Tormentors advise and move on. :bigrinnin: Psssst, I hid a shicken in RO's e-mail box. :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- JanReinar Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 12:58 PM ----------------------------------- [quote="tda42";p="12874"]Ok I will take Tormentors advise and move on. :bigrinnin: Psssst, I hid a shicken in RO's e-mail box. :bigrinnin:[/quote] :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: ----------------------------------- Posy Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 12:58 PM ----------------------------------- Not many people express themselves that way. Oh, you are a poet. If you could have any kind of robot what would it be? ----------------------------------- Landman Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 03:25 PM ----------------------------------- [quote="tda42";p="12874"]Ok I will take Tormentors advise and move on. :bigrinnin: Psssst, I hid a shicken in RO's e-mail box. :bigrinnin:[/quote] You can't please everyone Kenny..... :-s Thats just the way it works..... Especially when it comes to religion, everyone has their own views of God and Jesus. And for alot of people it is a touchy subject. Unfortunately that was the way of the times back then. Jesus was not the only one crucified. There were 2 other people with him on that hill, and to add to that, that was what they did back then to people they felt deserved it. The punishment fit the crime, as a ratio, the worse the crime, the worse the punishment. Now a day's it is taboo to show it. People don't want to know or see about torture or anything like that. They turn a blind eye to it and you end up with people ignorant to the subject because they censor it out of society. Meanwhile you have a dictator in some small Arabic country torturing people like you and me on a daily basis because we have different values and different beliefs on a subject. I guess in a nutshell ignorance is bliss... :-k Unfortunately people always take advantage of it..... [-X [-( ----------------------------------- tda42 Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 06:31 PM ----------------------------------- Thanks Land my friend. Yep that is the way it works and you no I feel good about this. I have finally felt for the first time, I think that my art raised some eye brows, got something stered up and started people to think. For the first time people looked at it and judged it and today my friend I think I became a true artist. I feel good and at peace. I believe that is what my art is about all these years. :bigrinnin: Thanks again Land and sad to say it doesn't look good for the Hockey games this year either.Talken about a bummer on that one aye :-k :pray: :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- tda42 Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 06:57 PM ----------------------------------- I have thought about this and I have spoke with the moderator and have held no hard feelings toward the person. Rules are rules I guess and sometimes they need to be changed. But that is another story and I am going to remove my statements from above and move on. They will be there for a few days and after that by the power of our fearless leader it will be removed forever. I thank you all from the bottom of my heart for all the pats and hugs these couple of days. My art will go on and so will we here. Life to me is to short for making enemies, so I'll just make friends instead. As Jesus said and I quote It is done. :Unquote. Thanks all. :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Tormie Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 07:27 PM ----------------------------------- The story tells tha you can even kill your enemies :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: ... I'm glad all is ok now Kenny, I have not understood if any actions are required by me to delete/modify a post :-k :-k :-k ... ----------------------------------- Landman Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 08:38 PM ----------------------------------- Hhey Kenny... on a side note.... :-s Make a picture of Osama Bin Laden Crucifying Uncle Sam and name it "If the War Against Terror Fails" and see what kind of response you get.... Hell you could just swap Osama and Uncle Sam and name it "Kick His ASS!!" I bet the response would be different because it isn't religious.... ----------------------------------- guiltypleasures Wednesday, 22 September 2004, 10:03 PM ----------------------------------- I'm a bit late on this post, but after reading though it all and viewing the picture I agree with all of you, there was nothing in this picture that I can see to require it to be pulled, as a number of you have said, there has and will be much worse posted over there that will not be pulled. Kenny try and do as Jesus and forgive, it's sad that they couldn't understand the meaning and only looked at the picture. [-( Now I'm going to the clubhouse basement to retrieve my secret stash of Tormies bottle farts and unleash the shickens to for the attack :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Tormie Thursday, 23 September 2004, 01:51 PM ----------------------------------- 8-[ 8-[ 8-[ ... ----------------------------------- tda42 Thursday, 23 September 2004, 09:10 PM ----------------------------------- Ok it is time to move on as I had stated. If Tormentor would be so kind to wipe the forum from this never to be seen again. Thanks all. But the negative should be with them and the positive should be with us here. :bigrinnin: Now that I think of it if you rub a positive with a negative you get alot of sparks don't you. :-k :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :bigrinnin: What the heck I'll give it one more day. :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Tormie Thursday, 23 September 2004, 10:21 PM ----------------------------------- Hey Kenny, you're the moderator here, you can do it yourself ("moderate" commands at the bottom of the page). Time to start helping good' ol Tormie with the hard work :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: ... Because, you know, I'm very, very lazy :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: ----------------------------------- guiltypleasures Friday, 24 September 2004, 12:18 AM ----------------------------------- Just don't hit the red button kenny!!! Unless that is you want to blow the place up :whistle: ----------------------------------- Tormie Friday, 24 September 2004, 03:54 AM ----------------------------------- 8-[ 8-[ 8-[ ----------------------------------- JanReinar Friday, 24 September 2004, 12:20 PM ----------------------------------- 8-[ 8-[ 8-[ 8-[ ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Friday, 24 September 2004, 12:36 PM ----------------------------------- Removing the picture was a good starting point but I think you should be dragged through the streets and given a jolly good shaking as an example to any other evil-doers [-X On a relatively serious note..I can't be bothered with Rendyourmoneytome anymore. You're an artist, you were expressing something that had meaning for you...for God's sake don't those people know what art is about?!! ----------------------------------- Tormie Friday, 24 September 2004, 12:38 PM ----------------------------------- Hey Paul ! Your avatar become better every new day ! :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- tda42 Friday, 24 September 2004, 03:55 PM ----------------------------------- Thanks Paul. It is appreciated and now its time to put the beast to sleep and PUSH THE WED BUTTON! MMMawww ha ha ha haaaaaa! 8-[ 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 ..........2............2...........Damn! :-s ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 24 September 2004, 09:50 PM ----------------------------------- Does this have anything to do with the Imodium P-32 Explosive Space Modulator? :-k :-s You don't really need to delete this thread do you? :-({|= I mean this thread in itself is a symbol towards censorship, freedom of speech, freedom of rights, and damnit a good old fashoned crucifixion!! ( :x ) Seriously Kenny, just leave it be.... :-s this is not going to be the end of it..... :-k ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 24 September 2004, 09:51 PM ----------------------------------- oh and by the way I earned 23.1 Candies for that post..... :-s How ever bad it is...... :whistle: ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 24 September 2004, 09:51 PM ----------------------------------- However, There is some really good news..... ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 24 September 2004, 09:55 PM ----------------------------------- :-s :-s :-s :-s :-s :-s :-s :-s :-s I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico..... :-s :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- tda42 Saturday, 25 September 2004, 12:22 AM ----------------------------------- :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Ok Land I think we will let it be. :bigrinnin: Also the Imodium P-32 Explosive Space Modulator is somewhere in the moutains with GP's suit case. But I think Tormentor may have one to clean his commode with :bigrinnin: So the Gecko is driving your truck now? :-k COOL! We've got a designated driver. :dancing: Here we come Tormentor. :bigrinnin: :lmao: ----------------------------------- Tormie Saturday, 25 September 2004, 01:27 AM ----------------------------------- I see you becoming rounder day by day landman !! :bigrinnin: All those candies [-X ... ----------------------------------- guiltypleasures Saturday, 25 September 2004, 04:49 PM Re: I Don't Believe This Bunch Of B---S--- ----------------------------------- [quote]I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geico..... [/quote] :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lol: :lmao: :bigrinnin: