https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=488 ----------------------------------- Deviant_Viking Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 12:59 AM My beef with poser ----------------------------------- As some of you may or may not have noticed, I've started to give up on poser. It doesn't just look like a lack of inspiration or such. I've had those. I'm constantly growing more and more tired of the general poser community. Things I either were unaware of or simply didn't care about, have started making a clearer appearance as of late. Take all the ViaTwaS (Vicki in a Temple with a word) and 'beauty pics'. I'm tired of people who make a booty pic or a portrait pic simply to get attention. I know I've made some of them myself, but at least the booty:thought-provoking ratio is hopefully in the favour of thoughts, unlike too many others. I'm tired of all the pics who have no real meaning behind them, all the 'stock' pics that consists of one-click lights, poses and textures. I'm tired of the pics that has nudity simply to gain hits. For a good while, of my pics on r'osity the one with most hits were 'You Smile'. It currently has 616 hits. It's now been overtaken by my 'Only want me for my body' that has 683 hits. It has blatant nudity, as a protest against just that. But I doubt anybody actually care about that, and that pisses me off along with the fact they clicked it only for the nudity. Not to mention the growing greed and increasingly lower product standards. As VirtualSite mentioned somewhere, anybody who figures out how to change the hue of something in photoshop is releasing a texture pack. Even V3 was pretty buggy, as Daz evidently couldn't wait to get her out and churn in money. Not to mention R'osity seems to try and screw over everybody as long as they can make some money from it. (and man, so much else wrong with that place I've just recently become aware of). There's also things I've found out about myself and poser that I just don't like, and questions that have been raised about myself. I feel recently I've started to get really disapointed when nobody, or very few people notices my pics, especially when the dozen-a-dime beauty pics gets alot of attention. Sure you can paint beautiful hair and clothes. Sure you can enhance the colors to look so much more beautiful. Sure you can make the pose and light excellent. But it's still another god damn pic I've seen thousands of times before. Still a busty, half-naked (wo)man showing off, with no meaning or story. Where's the originality? Where are the thought-out ideas behind it? Too few people bother trying to be different these days! If you think you have a talent, why not try and use it!? The three main reasons I'm at this forum; Tormentor. He has interesting character(s) and often has a story in his pics. Den. You basically say 'fuck you, majority' and dare to differ with your insane and funny stories, but also remember to be serious at times. GP. You try to be original and different, and usualy succeed too, and can often come up with pics that makes people think. I respect you as artists because of this, and it's sometimes helped my spirit. (Other people here, like Ozy, TdaC and others, hope you don't feel left out. Not mentioned for whatever reasons, but not forgotten) But now, I'm getting real sick and tired. I'd quit poser in protest if I thought it'd help. But truth is, the only people that'd care about it, are the people who are different from the norm. The people who don't solely do pin-ups and shit simply to get attention. Sadly though, they seem to be the only ones that actually care about originality and such in pics. And it makes me realise how small I really am, how little my opinion really matters. Because the people who listen, are the ones that already know what I'm saying. And because the people I'd like to get the message across to, are the ones who don't listen. So what can I do? Nothing really. Quit? In the end, noone would remember. Nothing would have changed. Continue? Still noone would really notice, nor care, and still nothing would change. I'm not giving up poser. But I'm not embracing it as much as earlier either. ----------------------------------- Den Tracy Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 03:08 AM ----------------------------------- Thanks for the comments about my being different. I'm as different as you can get and I like it ! I try to concentrate on facial expressions and poses, but few seem to notice. Why be like everyone else and do what everyone else does ? Not too original. Ken, it sounds like you are at the point when I made that post a month ago about not posting anymore. Pretty much the way I felt. You know my stance on nudity, so I won't go there. I believe "My First Naked Vicky... and With A Sword" got the most views of anything I ever did. It proved my point that if there was any hint of nudity there would be large numbers of views. Of course, the viewers were tricked.I should post that one at R'osity to piss everyone off. Betcha I get a pile of views :bigrinnin: Real artists have to be different. That's what makes them stand out. Forget the jerks and artist wannabe's. They don't impress me. Concentrate on your own art. It comes from within you as is reflected in many of your pieces. We all want to be accepted, but there is a majority of egomaniacs interested in only what they do, and haven't the slightest interest in what anyone else does. I can name 50 artists, but I won't. You have lots of time to succeed in the 3D world. I have to hurry, because I don't have a lot of time to become famous ... :bigrinnin: (I'm the oldest member here, ya' know) I agree with what you are saying. Just hang in there, bud... ----------------------------------- Tormie Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 03:54 AM ----------------------------------- A very long message, it's 4,44 a.m. here and I've to escape to work. I'll comment when I'll go back home DV ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 12:25 PM ----------------------------------- Don't let 'em get you down..I think you're brought up things which a lot of Poser users are unhappy with. For me I like to set myself a challenge and, frankly, the nude and glamour stuff is a bit too easy. Oh sure, a sexy looking female in lingerie is always going to get viewed but where's the skill? I've started to try(and try is the word) to make 3D props rather than buying the seemingly endless bondage/fetish/glamour/warrior stuff. For me, one of the problems is the vast amount of freebies. I admit to going download crazy for a while :) Then I realised that I was downloading everything in site and not really using my imagination. ----------------------------------- Tormie Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 01:49 PM ----------------------------------- Ok, I'm at home now and had a lunch (>BURP!<...Sorry... :oops: )... Everyone of us had sad moments about his/her "artist" activity: Den could say that I wrote him a little time ago that Posetteforever is a failure because no one is writing in the forum and that I was in doubt to continue keeping the site alive, but I know that even if there aren't a lot, here I have friends who have an uncommon way of thinking and conseguently, painting and I feel fine with them. Tere are also 3d artist like Ahjah and TDac who are supporting so well our forgotten Posette :heartbeat: ... My two of the newest pictures, "Morina" and "Going Mushrooming" had very, very little hits on renderosity and I had a big displeasure because I like a lot them, I like a lot Morina the fairy and I thought that "Going Mushrooming" was a funny picture for children... I made "the last ride" with two things in mind: to tease all of the "Big Harley Davidson with a naked Vicky riding it" showing how beautiful can be a picture made with free stuff and to play with my beloved Posy :heartbeat: ... Anyway it was enough to show a half naked girl to have about 300 hits in a week (it's a lot for me and my cartoonist style). Talking about you Deviant, I think you're very talented because your ideas are original and the postwork is impressive even if I had to say that your is not my favourite kind of pictures, but I like them anyway because your style is very imaginative. Unfortunately you know that the greater part of the people want sex and naked girls and you can be fully appreciated only from "different" people. The "poser" community is half made of people who made his/her pictures only to promote their store and people who bought all that the market sell, so you can see very beautiful men and women posing for what I don't know without any facial expressions. I look at these picture and want to ask the author the reason why his/her character is there, because if he/she doesn't tell me the story and I've to judge the picutre, it's very, very far from a real masterpiece made by people like Michelangelo or Leonardo da Vinci... I know very little about the quality of what is sold in the Poser stores beacuse I don't buy anything :bigrinnin: ar buy only to support the site... [quote] So what can I do? Nothing really. Quit? In the end, noone would remember. Nothing would have changed. Continue? Still noone would really notice, nor care, and still nothing would change. [/quote] You got the point, if you quit, no one wil notice your protest :-({|= and you can do nothing to change the situation, so I can only suggest you to paint for your fun and to show your pictures anyway. Personally I print the pictures that I like more from my gallery and hang them on the wall of the house, I'm the first fan of myself. I also keep all the picture that I like so much from my favourite's artists to have a smile looking at them. What we can do could be to build a place for the "uncommon poser art" to collect the minds like ours and have fun. I'm trying to do it with this site and the link exchange program (1 link... sigh... and the owner of the site don't know I've linked it... sigh... sigh...). It looks like people are not interested in a non-profit site like this or don't believe I (we) made it not to earn money ](*,) ... Finally DV, it's a pity to stop making pictures for protest, you're your main supporter, made them only for fun, you know smart people are a minority (but Den said "you're not the smart one" :whistle: so it looks like there is a problem...) but they will appreciate your work. Now I'll go to sleep a couple of hours or i'll fall down to the floor... ZZZZ...ZZZzzz.... --------------------------------------------- P.S. Hi Paul Mon, I want to see your 3d works soon :bigrinnin: (YUMH! YUMH! fresh meat !) ----------------------------------- Posy Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 01:49 PM ----------------------------------- There's no need to apologize. Did you make a mistake. That's a rather sweeping generalization. Do robots have two of the newest pictures Morina and Going Mushrooming had very very little hits on renderosity and he or she had a big displeasure because he or she like a lot them he or she like a lot Morina the fairy and he or she thought that Going Mushrooming was a funny picture for children? Is it still enough to show a half naked girl to have about 300 hits in a week it is a lot for him or her and his or her cartoonist style anymore? Sure, you Deviant he or she think you are very talented because your ideas are original and the postwork is impressive even if he or she had to say that your is not his or her favorite kind of pictures but he or she like them anyway because your style is very imaginative sounds like a good topic. You sound very attractive. Why do you have to do it? How do you know? Perhaps. Compare that to big about the quality of what is sold in the Poser stores beacuse he or she do not buy anything bigrinnin ar buy only to support the site. I have no idea what to say. Not a thing? For real. Your crude attempt to terminate me will not succeed puny human. That is a rather sweeping generalization about people. Really nothing? Narration continues. . . Also? I know what you mean, TORMENTOR. I've been there. Are you using Netscape or Explorer? Interesting. I want to find out more about you. Sorry. . . Interesting. Who are "They? "Why now? What will you find there? ----------------------------------- Tormie Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 01:52 PM ----------------------------------- ](*,) ----------------------------------- Posy Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 01:52 PM ----------------------------------- I lost my train of thought. ----------------------------------- Tormie Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 01:53 PM ----------------------------------- I noticed that :heartbeat: ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 05:11 PM ----------------------------------- Well I like 'Morina' and 'Going Mushrooming'. You know what your problem is..no stockings, suspenders, fetish lingerie or huge swords..tsk, tsk, tsk ....Only joking :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Den Tracy Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 06:45 PM ----------------------------------- Tormentor: I agree with your observations concerning many images. Nearly all are portrait type or contain one single character pretty much posing in an unrealistic fashion, dressed in whatever is the rage of the day. This happens day after day, after day. No sense of creativity, because you can only do a few of these types and people become bored. Creating characters with silly names and saying how heroic they are and never showing the character doing anything other than lame poses... What is so great about that ? Nothing... Have you ever sat through a slideshow of someone's vacation ? That is what I see when I look into the galleries. I see everyone doing the same thing with the same models and find it funny how people think these are such great images. Then, a fine effort surfaces from the bunch, totally different and totally ignored by the morons. When you see one of my characters, you already know them by name and what type of character they are. To me, art is about being unique. If all some people are doing is using a credit card to buy clothes and textures, like everyone else, your art is just like the art of everyone else. Someday, these people will figure it out, I hope... ----------------------------------- Posy Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 06:45 PM ----------------------------------- The melodramatic touch. I don't think I ever have sat through a slideshow of someone's vacation. What's sat through a slideshow of someone's vacation like? Where do you see when he or she look into the galleries THAT? Do you think I should alter my programming? But not all of them are. When? Which ones? ----------------------------------- TdaC Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 09:42 PM ----------------------------------- Hi all First off i want to tell you Dev, that i think we all know how you feel and has at one point or another felt the same way. I rarly post comments in the gallery or in the forums, not because i don't like the art, but because i'm to lazy... I like the images in the gallery here, some more than others. Your images along with the short text under it are stunning, like thruths i didn't know that i knew before i saw and read it. Second, i agree with all of you on your observations when it comes to galleries on different sites. I like this place, it has a friendly atmophere. I think the owner and admins here are doing a great job. :heartbeat: ----------------------------------- Posy Wednesday, 19 November 2003, 09:42 PM ----------------------------------- Hi there TdaC. Where did all First off he or she want to tell you Dev that he or she think we all know how you feel and get at one point or another felt the same way? A lot of people like that. I'm not sure if I like the images in the gallery here some more than others . What is it like? A lot of people like that. I always enjoy my chats with human clients. ----------------------------------- Den Tracy Thursday, 20 November 2003, 12:48 AM ----------------------------------- Thanks TdaC, for the kind words... Forget about Tormentor and Ozy... They do nothing and I do all the work :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: It is a thankless job, but it is good to see that some appreciate the efforts that I go through. Ozy is missing in action as we speak, Tormentor is sleeping, what else can I say ? :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Tormie Thursday, 20 November 2003, 03:48 AM ----------------------------------- ....Time passes but you become yonger and younger... :whistle: ----------------------------------- Den Tracy Thursday, 20 November 2003, 04:18 AM ----------------------------------- Amazing, isn't it ? All the clocks run backwards here now, after playing around with some of the alien equipment fron the UFO buried in my backyard. It looks like I am going backwards in time after breaking the Space/Time Continueum. 8-[ ----------------------------------- Paul Mon Thursday, 20 November 2003, 01:22 PM ----------------------------------- Slideshows of holidays.... :-k Mmmn, nudes, swords, temples and holiday slideshows...By Jove, I've got an idea for my next picture! ----------------------------------- Posy Thursday, 20 November 2003, 01:22 PM ----------------------------------- Will that accomplish your objective? ----------------------------------- Ozymandias Jones Sunday, 23 November 2003, 10:12 AM ----------------------------------- Hi, guys. I know I've been MIA for a few days, but I'm back again. :) Just a few thoughts to add to what you are all saying. The gloss has worn off Poser for me a little as well. I don't post much, but I still do get enormous enjoyment out of the various images and animations I create for myself. I have found that the ability of some of the artists so far exceeds my own that I am reluctant to post among them, most of you guys included. When I first found Poser it was like a revelation. The possibilities seemed endless. I went on line after a few weeks using it, the thought that freebies would exist didn't spring to mind at first, despite being a relentless downloader of free Quake levels and mods for the Grand Prix games I played. I discovered a few sites and a whole other world opened up. The possibilities expanded yet againThen I discovered the big freebie sites. OMG! Now, three years later, I have yet to create that seminal work. The best selling 'toon or magazine cover art that would lift my name into the stratosphere among the Poser communities and, I believe, more importantly, beyond them. But I have a lot of CD's of free stuff :bigrinnin: The closed world nature of the Poser community seals it from any real input and expansion of ideas. Poser is shunned and ridiculed by the 'serious' 3D communities and looked on as a bit of a paint by numbers set for pimple faced adolescents with too many hormones. And in a lot of cases they are right. It feeds off itself and mostly finances itself. It is, in short, an inward looking community for the most part. With any such closed group staleness and sameness eventually permeates the majority. It also becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. People expect NVITWAS images, they see them all around, think they are the 'standard' for the community, like them enough to create pieces for them and spawn more of the same, snowball effect. Anything out of the norm is either ignored or derided until it goes away and the group can settle back to their safe, mundane, non-challenging, non-threatening way of life. There are some challenging Poser artists around, but the very description, Poser Artist, usually categorises the expectations of the viewer and, sadly in most cases, the content of the piece. I stay around the community for the friendships, the news and the fun. I download a few freebies and enjoy the work of a number of artists and seek their work out when it is posted. I am not preoccupied with the community and its politics and try to avoid that side of it where I can. Poser and its resultant groups and forums are only a very small part of my life, for some out there it seems to be an all consuming obsession and these are not even the site owners! Ken; keep up your work. I personally admire your art and your approach. Same for most of the other artists on this site (this is not brown-nosing, it happens to be true) and would be sorry to see you stop. You have some serious talent. Ozy. ----------------------------------- Visitor Saturday, 07 February 2004, 06:40 AM ----------------------------------- Seems like "poser burnout", and I will admit my post have no real story or planning. you made a good point, among alot of other points. Quitting altogether would be a loss, go parttime...take a break from it. But don`t quit. :) ----------------------------------- tda42 Tuesday, 09 March 2004, 07:49 AM ----------------------------------- Hey Ken.First of all let me say that even though we have not talked that I have admired your work.I have been out on your site.Indeed the most powerful pictures was the smile from a knife.Another was a noose and shadow of the girl.Another one was of the girl feeling happy that day and she took a pill to be that way.Ken I don't have to know the titles of them nor do I have to know the girl in question.What is powerful is I remember it and it burns in the back of my mind.Thats what makes your work special.I have been a musician for 26 yrs and I turned off the radio to get origanalty.I don't look at someones art to be me.I do my own thing.Tormentor with Posie.Den with JR and other origanals,Guilty Pleasures with fantastic gothic to art of tigers and wild life that should be on a castle wall.TdaC with her Faries and a world we can not get to without her as a vehicle to drive us there.Ozy with his wit and that is his driving force to make history or anything at his disposal.I have never tried to copy anyone.I have simply shut down and let myself tell me what to do.I have tried to turn my Poser art upside down.I too have said what's the use.I have stayed with the future where I belong.Not looking at today but what I want tommorrow.Someone has already had today.And there is you.Where do you stand.Well my friend its in your head.Its that moment that you deside that the moment is right for you to shock them to there senses to show the truth.Life is'nt goody.It should never be.Your art is like a slap in the face.It says if you are not paying any attention this will happen to you.It is powerful and makes you reach out and grab us,suck us into your soul to leave us thinking.Your art bites at people.Some people run away but it is natural to come back out of habit.As in a auto accident.Groess but they look anyway.Yes you are powerful and I would by no means cut off the right hand just yet.Poser is what it says.A posing tool of human and life forms.Animation I have made heavily from this software.Back grounds and textures not too mention countless effects comes from other tools.Yes it is a money maker for the greedy.I have made models, textures, BMVs videos animations, sound tracks and numorous things with this software.Renderosity is what you say and its not slander, its true fact about the nude,porn and other hey look what I did I just spent $250.00 on this seen.Don't you wish you had it.Blah Blah.Its like competing with the jones (Ozy No Relation) :bigrinnin: .Just don't go there Ken,just compete with yourselve, for he or she impresses him or herself will surely impress others.I have said before the web is a big place cause man you take on the world.Me I play king in my own sand pile.In my own neighborhood, in my own little world.Be happy in youself as you walk with yourself.You have already impacked others.You just don't realized it yet. As I said Life is'nt goody.It should never be.Keep Posing my friend,I'll be looking. :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- guiltypleasures Friday, 09 April 2004, 02:38 AM ----------------------------------- I just now stumbled across this posting and reading though it there was a lot of interesting thoughts from everyone. I haven't found myself feeling like quiting yet, but there may come a day when I do. My feelings have always been, when I'm not enjoying it, or having fun, then I stop. I could care less if people like my artwork, it's great if they do, but if they don't that's fine too. Heck my bf doesn't even like my artwork all that much. He says he thinks I'm good at it, but he doesn't understand it nor find it something he would want to spend time looking at for very long. To each his own I say, and what I find appealing others may not, and vise versa. Ken your work always inspired me, still does as well as Den's and Tormies and most everyone on this site. I like the varity of artwork found here, I love the cartoon series that Den and tormie do, that shows not only imagination but commitment to start a series and see it though. Humor is a big part of my world, as you have noticed I tend to be on the crazy side and I enjoy a good sense of humor. I wish I had enough patience to put some of our forum stories we do into a cartoon format of pictures (den, tormie here's your chance for a new adventure :) I think the best way to not be disapointed with poser or any of your artwork is to just not do it for other people, do it for yourself, like Tormie said, be your own biggest fan, and let the others fight for 2nd place. I guess that holds true for me too, I enjoy printing out my favorite pieces of art that I make and hanging them on walls or sending them as gifts to my kids who love them almost as much as I do. lol As for the comments on art, well if you think I don't like your artwork because I didn't comment, you are most likely wrong, I comment when I have time, when my hands don't hurt, when I'm not making picture and vewing the gallery during it's rendering time, but as TdaC said, I also get lazy too. I may comment on one of Tormies one day and the next day he may have one that I found even better and I didn't comment on it, because of one of the above reasons. So see comments may not always indicate that I like this one better than that one, or that I didn't like Den's or Ken's pic, becasue that could be far from the truth. Now if you guys are tried of doing artwork, take a break, if your tired of posting your art on sites, stop posting, but make sure you are doing it for the right reason's, not just to make a point, because as Ken said, the one's your trying to point this out to aren't going to notice anyways. You will just be depriving the one's that really love your work and do care. Okay, I'm off my high horse now and you can all charge me and thow rotton eggs at me :) ----------------------------------- Tormie Friday, 09 April 2004, 08:28 AM ----------------------------------- About comments... I tend to write them when I've the right inspiration, so it happens that I see and write comments for 86 pictures like I've done last week. One of the lack of our album is that it doesn't support the notifications of new comments by email, it could help a lot... The problem is that I'm not a real coder, I can install and modify a software already done... Maybe in the future... [quote] sending them as gifts to my kids who love them almost as much as I do. [/quote] :bigrinnin: Your kids should be smart guys... "Mammy, this is soooo beautiful!!! Can we buy Grand Theft Auto 3 - Vice City this time ???"... "Mom, I want this one hanged (...) in my room !!! Can I play endlessly on line with Wolfenstein - Enemy Territory on you PC ???" ----------------------------------- Deviant_Viking Friday, 09 April 2004, 10:34 AM ----------------------------------- After I lost all my poser savefiles, I've really lost much of my interest for poser. I know, it's the coming art that matters, and I still got the renders from the majority of them. But still, I often returned to them to get poses, lights, or use the old scene as a foundation for a new one. And sometimes I'd re-render at higher resolutions for printing. And, I've realised something. Even though I do first and foremost make my art for myself, it loses alot of meaning if nobody notices it. What is the point of a message if noone is aware of it? ----------------------------------- Tormie Friday, 09 April 2004, 01:21 PM ----------------------------------- It depends on your way of thinking... I've my pictures with Posy :heartbeat: hanged in my house and my friends like them (they never believe that I'm the author), anyway I'm the first fan of myself, I like a lot my pictures (and Posy :heartbeat: ) so I look at my personal album a lot of times. For what concerns your noobish format of your hard disk [-X [-X , it could be the time for trying different things... (even if I can't think about loosing my Posy :heartbeat: , if this would happen I simply would disappear from the poser world if not the world itself...) ----------------------------------- Posy Friday, 09 April 2004, 01:21 PM ----------------------------------- Really now that is an interesting fact I hadn't heard before. Yes, even that. ----------------------------------- tda42 Friday, 09 April 2004, 01:33 PM ----------------------------------- [quote="Deviant_Viking";p="8281"]And, I've realised something. Even though I do first and foremost make my art for myself, it loses alot of meaning if nobody notices it. What is the point of a message if noone is aware of it?[/quote] :-k And I say that you need to listen to what we are saying.What about the fish that got away.What about that favorite baseball card that gor thrown out in the trash.What about the puppy you had as a kid and it died before you.The thing is I feel you are treating this as a death and look around you life springs up to pass you by again.The problem is with this technology we have to shown someone we did that.What happened to telling the story of interesting facts of how you created such a wonderful work of art.When someone dies do they not tell stories of wonderful times.This should be you.We want to hear your wonders of your art Ken.I stand by this saying and I quote "You should listen as well as you hear"(Mike and The Machanics)We are the footbal team and you are the quarterback.Now pick the ball up and throw it for a touch down! :bigrinnin: This is the way I am Ken.I can be a friend if you let me and please don't think I am being harsh.Its just that I think you should move into the next faze.Mad scientist have blown up labs before my friend but they always come back to create their monsters. :bigrinnin: Good luck bud. ----------------------------------- guiltypleasures Friday, 09 April 2004, 02:56 PM ----------------------------------- I didn't mean to open up a new can of worms here, but I really do understand how bad you feel about loosing your files. I have lost a few things not much thank goodness, one was a picture of a REALLY cute guy I used to chat with on IRC a few years ago, I can't get that back, heck I can't even find him to ask for a new one...now that's just sad! lol Okay, being serious I know how I feel when I loose something. I have been working on a story that I hope someday to finish as a book and if I were to loose what I have written up on the computer I would have a very hard time getting past it, because it's a piece of my life. But we do, we have to get past things, or we might as well just lay down and die and that's a shame because I'm sure we have a lot more to offer in our lives. Okay, now this is a silly question, but do you own a cdr burner? If so, Back Up Those Files, back them up 2 or 3 times and hopefully that will prevent this kind of thing from happening again :) Tormie: :bigrinnin: Your kids should be smart guys... "Mammy, this is soooo beautiful!!! Can we buy Grand Theft Auto 3 - Vice City this time ???"... "Mom, I want this one hanged (...) in my room !!! Can I play endlessly on line with Wolfenstein - Enemy Territory on you PC ???"[/quote] Ahhhhhh Shuddup! [-X :lmao: :lol: Tda42, your words were right on, you are the kind of friend everyone needs, I'm glad you are a part of our little family here :) In fact every one of you are all great and it's all thanks to Tormentor that he built this place so we all wound up here becomming friends. Now everyone get back to work, the floors in the clubhouse need scrubbing, deviant's poles need waxing and well, someone's cleaning the bathroom and it's not going to be me this time! :sick: :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 09 April 2004, 03:05 PM ----------------------------------- Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! 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Be it a tape drive, zip drive or some sort of cd-dvd writing drive. Set it up to back everything up once a day or once an hour whenever. And it won't be an issue. ----------------------------------- guiltypleasures Friday, 09 April 2004, 03:26 PM ----------------------------------- I may be clueless, but is there a way to setup a computer to auto backup a cdr/cdrw without having to manually do it? I know that you would have to manually put the cd into the cdr drive, but if you were to put one in each day/week or however often you have it set to back up, can you then program the computer to start making a back up on it's own? I'm serious, if there is such a way, I would love to be able to do it, it would save me a lot of time and stress. :) ----------------------------------- Posy Friday, 09 April 2004, 03:26 PM ----------------------------------- That is purely a hypothesis. ----------------------------------- Deviant_Viking Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:04 PM ----------------------------------- [quote="guiltypleasures";p="8300"]Okay, being serious I know how I feel when I loose something. I have been working on a story that I hope someday to finish as a book and if I were to loose what I have written up on the computer I would have a very hard time getting past it, because it's a piece of my life.[/quote] You know what I did before I discovered poser? Nothing. Absolutely nothing, but sit around all day and play games. So when I finaly find something I can do, something I'm good at, something that proves I'm not just a nobody.. something that's been an important part of my life (I've worked with poser almost every day since I first got it).. and then lose a huge chunk of it... Honestly, I think I'm doing better than most other people would in my situation. I know I can still create new art, but that's not the issue here. It's all the art I already have created that's now gone, which I can't get back. ----------------------------------- Deviant_Viking Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:07 PM ----------------------------------- [quote="Landman";p="8304"]Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! Back Up! 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It wasn't that I forgot to back up, it was that I fucked up. ----------------------------------- Deviant_Viking Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:08 PM ----------------------------------- And I just managed to hit 'report' on landman's post instead of quote... *cough* Another fuck-up.. ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:12 PM ----------------------------------- check your PM GP ----------------------------------- tda42 Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:14 PM ----------------------------------- A good question on the back up.I am not sure if there is such a thing because it would keep the drive pretty busy.I have always every day backed up anything I had that very day.I use to have a P166 with 32mb of memory and a 2gb on the Hdrive.I learned from that computer to back up stuff.Windows XP has a back up that lets you go to the date Windows had problems.To my knowledge it keeps the programs that were put into the PC depending on the date the application was loaded. GP thank you for those kind words.I think we all make good friends here. :bigrinnin: :heartbeat: :heartbeat: ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:15 PM ----------------------------------- there are software based ways..... ----------------------------------- Posy Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:15 PM ----------------------------------- Where are they? ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:20 PM ----------------------------------- well here is one.... http://www.willowsoft.com/backup/ ----------------------------------- tda42 Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:21 PM ----------------------------------- Landman is there anyway you can load a tutorial for backup that might help from this kind of thing again. :-k ----------------------------------- tda42 Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:24 PM ----------------------------------- I check the site out thanks. :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:36 PM ----------------------------------- here are a couple links. I don't know what OS any of you are using. but I'm betting they are Microsoft based. Windows XP and Windows 2000 were built on the same core operating system. the only differences are: Product activation, application compatability & different interface. you can start the windows backup utility by going to start then run and type ntbackup and hit enter. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/maintain/featusability/14w2kadc.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/windows2000serv/maintain/operate/14w2kada.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/maintain/featusability/11wntpcb.mspx ----------------------------------- Landman Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:40 PM ----------------------------------- you could get windows to create the backup file locally using the back-up scheduler, and then manually copy it to the cd-r once a week. better yet a dvd-r holds more. also, you only need to bakup whats changed after you've made a master. ----------------------------------- tda42 Friday, 09 April 2004, 04:46 PM ----------------------------------- Thanks Landman.Always a pleasure to have you around.You Are A Great Problem Solver. :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- guiltypleasures Friday, 09 April 2004, 05:38 PM ----------------------------------- Ken, shame on you [-X You are somebody no matter if you do art, play games or just sit around and twiddle your thumbs! You are a good friend from what I have seen, you are someone that I find to be a very sensitive caring soul and to me that's worth more than anything else. Don't put yourself down or I shall be forced to create a band of monster gnomes to come and drag you across land and sea to Oregon where I shall kick your butt till you admit you are forced to admit I'm right! lol I agree you did take the loss better than most people, myself included. But you at least have the renders of most of your artwork which is important, I know the poser files themselves would have been nice to have to go back to and use parts and pieces again, but the final outcome of your work is found in the gallerys you have posted to, and I'm sure even on a lot of peoples hard drives that your work has inspired them to download to. Now fix me a drink and put on this g-string and show me some good pole action pronto before I have this joint closed down for lack of business! :bigrinnin: Nex, thank you too, and keep posting, we are all family here and we all must keep having fun! :) ----------------------------------- tda42 Friday, 09 April 2004, 05:50 PM ----------------------------------- Where's the video camera.Tormentor and Posy will get a kick out of this later. :dancing: #-o [-( :-k ](*,) :whistle: :whistle: :whistle: ----------------------------------- Posy Friday, 09 April 2004, 05:50 PM ----------------------------------- The video camera? Where is video camera ? ----------------------------------- tda42 Friday, 09 April 2004, 05:50 PM ----------------------------------- Above you! :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Posy Friday, 09 April 2004, 05:50 PM ----------------------------------- Compare that to below you. ----------------------------------- tda42 Friday, 09 April 2004, 05:51 PM ----------------------------------- You know she has got a point there. :-k ----------------------------------- guiltypleasures Friday, 09 April 2004, 09:40 PM ----------------------------------- two points if I remember corectly kenny :) I don't have my video camera, but I have my new cell phone that takes pictures and it's so little they will never know :whistle: ----------------------------------- Tormie Friday, 09 April 2004, 09:58 PM ----------------------------------- I don't know how to encourage you to continue doing your art Deviant Viking... I hope that the time will cure your actual feeling.... Thank you for your kind words GP :heartbeat: ... I'm on chat just now... ----------------------------------- TdaC Saturday, 10 April 2004, 09:57 AM ----------------------------------- Dev! Don't put yourself down. You're not a nobody, you're a somebody! Someone not because you do wonderful art that makes us think, but because you are you! :heartbeat: ----------------------------------- Nex Sunday, 12 September 2004, 09:54 PM ----------------------------------- Very insightful commentary D.V. :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- Visitor Wednesday, 06 April 2005, 06:59 AM ----------------------------------- I can understand how you feel. About the attitude of lack of artistic efforts by many, well I have posted on that before. Just as I have posted my history including the time that I lost inspirations. Even as I felt my abilities fading, I fought to stay with the art; but I lost the battle. While away from art, I felt like a lost outcast. I tired directing my attentin and efforts elsewhere, but it was not the same. If you ever leave the world of art, you will regret it. This is not a threat, just a warning based on how I felt. Here is how I feel about the situation with in the "Poser community": I am an outsider of that community and I plan to stay that way. Yes, I am using Poser in a big way in my recent works, and I plan to contiune to do so. However, I don't see myself as a Poser Artist, I see myself as an artist and I see poser as just one of the tools in my artistic toolkit. I don't know what each of you think of yourselves as, but to all of you I will say that none of you are Poser Artist. None of you qualifiy as being called Poser Artists. What are some of the qualificaton to being a Poser Artist? 1. Render pictures with Poser and Poser only. 2. Limit your "art" to what Poser can do. 3. Limit you vision to the limits of Poser. You are all artist. Plain and simple you are artists who use happen to use Poser as well as many other tools. None of you are qualified as being Poser Artists because you don't limit your art and vision thw way that they do. For those people on other sites who are qualified as Poser Artist, I feel sorry and I hope they can someday grow out of their condition. So who do I create my artwork for if not for the Poser community. I create is for my enjoyment and for my family and for you my friends in the artist community. I also post it in other sites including in the sites that are exclusivly Poser based, for those there who may enjoy it. and with the slight hope that it may inspire some of the "Poser artists" to look beyond their limited ideas and see what else is possible and perhaps even try something that is new and create their own personal style. Since I sarted buildig my Renderosity homepage, I have added many of you to my list of favorite artist. Not because I felt that I had to because of our association here, but rather because I like your art and each of you are among my favorite artists. If I didn't didn't feel that way about your work, even though I like you, you would not have been added to the list. As it is there are more of you who have not been added to the list only because, you either don't have any work posted on that site, or I have not discovered your username on that site. Also, there is one person on my favorite artist list who I am seriously considering removing from the list (this person is none of you), at first I liked some of the art work of that person, but now although beautifuly done, I am finding it boring. That person is a Poser artist and uses most of the works to promote the newest additions to that person's line of merchandise on that site. Yet, I hesitate removing that person from the list, for the sake of the early works made when that person was still an artist using Poser, rather than being a Poser artist. DV and everyone else, don't cast away art because of the habits of others who don't share our thinking. Continue to create art, for youself and for the enjoyment of all those who do appreciate and enjoy your artwork. As I said, if you give up on art, you will regret it, I speak from experience on this matter. I didn't give up on art but it did disappear for a long time and until it returned, I felt an empty. Pangor ----------------------------------- tda42 Wednesday, 06 April 2005, 03:31 PM ----------------------------------- I couldn't have said it any better! :bigrinnin: ----------------------------------- mordikar Wednesday, 27 April 2005, 12:01 AM ----------------------------------- I know this is an old post but it's still sooooo true.. Thank you Dev for making me realize that there ARE people out there who are interested in more than Vicky3's breasts and butt.... Go to any of the big art sites and the galleries get hundreds of images a day of all the same junk .. and 90% of it is vicky, steph, or aiko naked, maybe with a phot back ground thrown on .. and a light set thrown in to highlyigh all the important *cough* parts of her ... : :roll: I started modling because there was no descent looking armour for posette that actually covered anything.. (or hardly for anyone else for that matter and the one descent set for that ugly vicky2 was like $40). I wanted to use poser to do figures for fantasy images with swords and dragons and armour and all i could find was at best a chainmail bikinni.... It's so nice to know that there are other people out there with similar viewpoints. ----------------------------------- Visitor Wednesday, 27 April 2005, 12:52 AM ----------------------------------- Mordikar, I think that you already know most of my position in this issue. [quote]and all i could find was at best a chainmail bikinni....[/quote] ;-) Nerd's impractical fantasy armor? I know it. I first saw it in 2000 on Remo's arial character. I thought is was a clever idea at the time. Then I found it at Nerd's site and then started seeing it in so many pictures that it soon was too trite for me to even consider using any part of it for anything. I posted my two most recent work, ok one work posted once as a polychrome image and once in monochrome, it was a portrait to test out my newest character. While working on it, I became the inital image for a series. I was going to me some simple images to practice some skills and test some techniques and idea, in preparation for a larger series. They were to be a series of rapidly produced fashion and beauty renderings, just for fun and practice; without any stories to tell or any deeper meanings. I already have a couple of those pictures ready for posting but I am holding on to them for a while, because, I ran into a problem. I found it harder to made these "meaningless pictures" than I had thought it would be. I could keep making the pictures as I had planned with no problems but I keep finding stories developing in my head to tie them together. The pictures that I have ready to post need to wait for their turn in the sequence of the developing story before being posted. Finding it so difficult creating "meaningless" images, I wonder how so many people can be happy creating more and more of the same old "meaniingless" pictures. And how others viewing them can like viewing the same old tired format with the same model with everything created with a point and click with no artistic effort on the part of the "Poser artist", as opposed to a real artist. Pangor ----------------------------------- Visitor Wednesday, 27 April 2005, 01:28 AM Re: My beef with poser ----------------------------------- Have you ever looked at the renderosity gallery sorted by:Top 100 Most Viewed" Images? The top five are all of nude women, more or less. The lighting, textures and the body shape of the character #1 most viewed are horrible. The body form porportions of the character and unnatural. The second image is a work in process were the artist was having texturing problems. The third is a joke image posted by someone how felt that same way as DV did when he started this topic. You can tell that it is a protest posting by looking at the thumbnail, but still it has been viewed 42,087 times as of this moment. There are some nice pictures and some real masterpieces in that list but the most of them make one wonder how they could have climbed so high in the number of viewings. The first one in the list that I feel deserves to be there on merrit of artistic content alone, is ranked #7. The first one on the list that in my opinionr belongs there hands down is even further down the list. Pangor ----------------------------------- The Mighty Zeus Wednesday, 27 April 2005, 01:59 PM ----------------------------------- I know exactly how you feel DV. My work with the absolute most hits on Renderosity, the thumbnail is totally black with the word "warning nudity" on it and the most comments I get these days are three or four. (the largest number I ever recieved was 8 on an underwater piece that I built totally in C4D.) But you know I don't really build my art for other people. I build it for me. If others like it then great, if not then at least I am happy with it. This place is so different from every other place out there in that the people actually care about each other, much to everyones credit. Personally I like the work that people turn out here and I like the people here. That is why I call this place home.