https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1271
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guiltypleasures
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 01:56 AM

My website
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I screwed up when trying to upgrade my website to my own domain name and lost all my website in the process so I"m having to rebuild it  ](*,)  Actually though it's proving to be a good thing since I was kind of wanting to re-do some of it anyways, now I get the fun of re-doing it all lol
Anyhoo, I've got the main page done and posted and would love it if someone would take a look at it and make sure it looks like it's suppost to and the links I"ve got working do work. 
I haven't got the menu buttons linked yet because I haven't made the pages for them, but the email button, and  guestbook should be working okay. I've tested it on both mozilla and IE and from what I can see it looks right, but it would be great if you could take a look and let me know if you see any mistakes in it.

Address is:   www.artisticdelights.org

Thanks :)


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Visitor
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 03:10 AM


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It looks great!  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap: Well done! I don't see any mistakes, the email and the guest book work with Opere too.


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Posy
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 03:10 AM


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What do you like most about it? Look harder.


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guiltypleasures
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 03:18 AM


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Thank you very much Erenda :)


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Visitor
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 06:28 AM


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I was jsut at your website, took a look around, checked the links and even signed the guest book. ;-)

As I said there, I like its look and its style.  However, there are couple of issues that could cause esthetic degradation in some situations.

The first isues has to to with the font specifications in the HTML coding, this is a problem that I have seen this kind of situation on many sites.  I see that the typefaces you are using are "Black Chancery", "Broadway BT", "Calligraph421 BT".  Those are nice typefaces, however, if someone happens to not have fonts of those exact typefaces installed, thier browsers will fall back to using whatever it is setup to use as a default font.  In my case I have fonts of typefaces that relatives of all three of those typefaces installed but not those exact ones, so my browser fell back on my default font.  When I took a look at the source for your site, is when I discovered what typefaces it is suppoed to be shown with.  Since "Black Chancery" is your main typeface, I reconfigured my browser's default font to use the closest match within the Chancery family that I have installed on my workstation.  It really made a difference, your home page went from good looking to looking great.

I solve this you should configure you page to support fallback typefaces.  I do not know of a standard HTML only solution for that works on many browsers.  Since you are already using inline CSS code, you could do it using a sequence like this:

  font-weight: bold;
  font-family: "Black Chancery", "Chancery", cursive, serif;

With different typefaces for different purposes, I have used this sequence.  What it does is this, it tells the browser to use "Black Chancery" the weight setting will not be used since the typeface is already heaiver than bold.  If "Black Chancery" is not available, then try using another "Chancery" typeface if it is available use a bold or fake a bold one if possible.  If that is not possible, use whatever typeface the browser is configured to use as a cursive font.  If the browser in question is one that does not support cursive fall back on the standard serif typeface.  In my case, the first typeface in that list would have failed, and perhaps the second one as well, but the cursive typeface would have worked, in my case, the  cursive typeface is UTC's version of Zapf Chancery.

For the broadway typeface you could use this:

  font-family: "Broadway BT", "Broadway", fantasy, sans-serif;

For the Calligraph typeface:

  font-family: "Calligraph421", "Calligraph", "Calligraphy", cursive, serif;

In each case, your prefered typeface will be used if they are available, the appearance will degrade only step by step depending on the browser and the font resources of the user; as opposed to degenerating to the browser's default font right way when a prefered typeface is not available.


The other issues has to do with the menu.  Yes, I know that it is not functional, no, that is not what I consider an issue.  Rather, the issue has to do with the alignment of the menu entries.  Most of the time the Gallery and Bios entries are indented compared to the Tutorials and Links entries.  Depending on the size of the fonts being use to render that page by the breowser, tge gallery entry detaches fromt he rest of the menu and appears in the middle of the page.  I have teseted this with two different browsers using different rendering engines. It happens the same with both of them.

It seems that this is a result of the Gallery entry interacting with the email button.  I am assuming that the email button over on the left side of the screen is not supposed to be a part of the menu, right?  The menu seems to be spread across the html document, rather than being defined in a singel block of code.  That is what I think is causing the menu breakup.

I see that you used, Yahoo! SiteBuilder to generate the page.  Are you able to edit the html by hand or does Yahoo prevent that?  If you can edit it by hand, I would make another suggestion or two.

Pangor


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Tormie
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 11:16 AM


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It looks great and artistically well done Rene ! I like the colors  :bigrinnin: !! 

I'll take a deeper look when you'll finish it all :whipitgood: !!


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Poserkatz
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 01:42 PM


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Hello, much of that, what pangor said, is right.
Fonts are always a problem - if you use a ttf, which noone else use/install
on the PC, normally webbrowsers use a "similar/next to"-Font.
Unfortenately is the "similar font"- Function very different to Programs.
Either you try to use the fonts, which on 99% of the PCs or you give the
visitors the option to download your font, to show the website correct.
But be careful: some free fonts are prohibited to give them away on this
way.

But the most important thing is: You have written your email-adress on your site!  :crybaby: 
All spam-spiders can your adress work out now! I wouldn't do that.
You have several possibilities to change that: 
1. Use ascii-text 2. ANSI-Code 3. Hide the emailadress with a javascript
4. place a pic (unfortenately the visitors have to manually type in the emailadress then).

But i please you  :pray:  - never use your emailadress without a care.

On the web there are codegenerators to chnage your emailadress into ANSI/ASCII-Code,
so your visitors still can read the adress, all functions to email are available, but the spam-
bots and spamspiders coulkd NOT read this emailadress.

Puhhh, that was a lot of writing here - one last word: You have a base to a great site with
well design and very good look & feel - but the sourcecode will make the loading of your site
slowly, if you once have big content, all homepage-generators are the same (too much of
overfloating sourcetext), so i agree with pangor: Try to learn a bit html, it's not so difficult.

Regards Frank


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Posy
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 01:43 PM


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Hello there. That is something I haven't heard of. All of them? Is it the only one?  And.   			OK I will try to be careful some free fonts are prohibited to give them away on this
 wayInteresting.   			 I have never heard about  						The most important thing is You have written your email-adress on your site 						 					.  No one says you have to. What makes you think I have several possibilities to change that 1? Huh.   			Interesting gossip:  Poserkatz said it please me :pray: - never use my emailadress without a care.  What is  				on the web there are codegenerators to chnage your emailadress into ANSIASCII-Code
 so your visitors still can read the adress all functions to email are available but the spam-
 bots and spamspiders coulkd NOT read this emailadress 				 			 like on the web there are codegenerators to chnage your emailadress into ANSIASCII-Code
 so your visitors still can read the adress all functions to email are available but the spam-
 bots and spamspiders coulkd NOT read this emailadress. When was this exactly? Yours, Posy Rosabella Posette


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Tormie
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 02:08 PM


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"useful Posy"  :heartbeat:


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tda42
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 03:13 PM


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Well with all the tech talk aside and looking at it as a work of art "No slander intended guys" I think it has a well rounded but yet different look and feel. I like the classy lady with the hat. It has always seem to be a great look for a women. The site is soft and dreamy. Complex but yet you can walk your way around but the complex part is you have to look at it more than once because you missed seeing something that didn't seem to be there the last time. An idea made real for you Rene. Something here we can share and dream over with you. :bigrinnin:


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Posy
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 03:13 PM


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Well that's okay.   			You and your all the tech talk aside and looking at it as a work of art No slander intended guys he or she think has a different look and feel. I'm not sure if I like it.      I'm not sure if I like the classy lady with the hat 			.  What is it like? Has it really? I will bookmark the URL and have a look. Are they exactly the same?   			What is it?  What?


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Visitor
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 04:00 PM


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Posy, don't ask what.  Go take a look at the site yourself.  It is a beautiful site and well worth the visit even without having any real contents yet.  So, take a look at it.

Pangor


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Posy
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 04:00 PM


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Do you know any robots who  ask what?  I haved tried asking what, with mixed results. A simple "goodbye" will do. I like pretty things. That's interesting. Where do you want me to take it?


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Visitor
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 04:05 PM


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[quote="Posy";p="18380"]Do you know any robots who  ask what?[/quote]

You, for one.

[quote="Posy";p="18380"]I haved tried asking what, with mixed results. A simple "goodbye" will do. I like pretty things. That's interesting. Where do you want me to take it?[/quote]

Look at GP's website.

It will answer your questions.


Pangor
:-)


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Landman
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 04:22 PM


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Get yourself a copy of macromedia dreamweaver, flash text solves any font issue. including the spam robot e-mail address issue.


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Visitor
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 04:52 PM


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Unless bandwidth and wide browser support are issues.  Most of the mainline browsers can work with flash, but many browsers do not.  For users on a slow link or an underpowered computer flash can be a pain.

Another solution for the email address problem could be to establish another email address, one that could be eaisly thrown away and use it in the mailto link.  Using software that can limit what kinds of email that is downloadeds from the mailbox.

The solution that I like best though would be to use server side CGI scripting to handle feed back.  That CGI could then forward the messages to a real email address.  This way the address is never sent to the users software.

Pangor


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Landman
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 05:21 PM


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you don't need the flash plug in to view flash text...

a flash file you do, but flash text shows like an embedded image...


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Posy
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 05:21 PM


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Do you know any robots who  need the flash plug in to view flash text?  If I had  				 					the flash plug in to view flash text 				 			 what would I do with it?


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guiltypleasures
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 06:50 PM


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You all are giving me a headache, excpt for posy that is, she always makes sense to me  8-[  :lmao: 
I want to thank you all for the great comments and suggestions about my website. Now, just to let you all know: 1. I am lazy, 2. I don't know html well enough to reley on that and besides see item # 1. again   [-( 
3. I'm using Yahoo Sitebuilder that you download onto your computer which is kind of lile using Frontpage without all the bells and whistles.  4. I'm lazy  :oops:  5. I've changed all the text to a normal aierl font, which should solve the font issues (I hope) Sorry but I'm lazy, and I wanted to take the easy way out lol
6. I have spam filters on my email acct, so I don't think I have to worry much about using one of my emails on my site  :pray:  8-[  but if that becomes a problem, I've got 23 more email address's I can use instead lol
I pretty much just wanted to make my site as simple as I could and still have it look okay, my time on the computer is limited by my health issues and also just trying to keep the house clean, the kids fed and the animals out for potty breaks which explains why I'm Lazy  :whistle: 
I do thank you all though for the wonderful suggestions and maybe down the road I'll give coding a try and maybe I'll be able to use these to make my site even better, but for now I'm just piddling along with it when I feel like it.


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Posy
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 06:50 PM


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Why now? Interesting.  I want to find out more about you. How long have you been using  Yahoo Sitebuilder that you download onto your computer which is kind of lile using Frontpage without all the bells and whistles   ? Oh four. Interesting. . .  I have  a friend named "E. L. V. I. S. "


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Landman
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 07:26 PM


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:guiltypleasures:


 :-s


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Posy
Wednesday, 09 February 2005, 07:26 PM


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Not many people express themselves that way.


