https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1289
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Poserkatz
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 06:37 AM

DAZ has bought Poserpros
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What do you think about?

Further steps into concentration/monopol?


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Hawktoey
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 08:01 AM


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Well I think it bites! :crybaby: Although I don't frequent (not even sure I am a member there) I feel that it's just not right. I read the forums at DAZ and in it they stated the obvious. We are not going to change Poser Pros operation, the only thing is a slight modification to the TOS (Term Of Service). In other words they are going to do to PP's what they did to their own site last year. Clean it up! (If that's what you want to call it) Basically I call it Censorship! :cussing: :sex: Poser pros was one of the sites that pretty much ran okay as is, so why are they trying to fix something that's not broken? Also, if you really need to know what people think, just ask one of the merchants there that "jumped ship" when the news was out. DAZ, Renderosity, now Poser Pros all "cleaning up" their act? Soon there might not be much left for us to visit. On a personal note, I am to a point right now where this will be the only Poser Forum I visit any more. I want to get back to my actual painting anyways and maybe the powers are telling me it's my time to move on.......I will always be here for Posy. I am also thinking of re-doing my site, to be an artist page with no more Poser content......This is my rant about the matter and only a rant at the moment......    :xcensoredx:  :xcensoredx:  :xcensoredx:  :xcensoredx:  :xcensoredx:


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Posy
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 08:01 AM


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What was your impression? What happened to you? How far up? I follow your logic. I hope we can make the deadline. You don't say.


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Visitor
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 08:24 AM


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I don't like it.  I don't like it at all.

Art grows on diversity of styles, not on monopolies.  Looking through history, whenever a monopoly controled artistic expression, the art stagnated rather than grow.  Given enough takeovers that there can become a virtual monopoly of this sort of art.  In which case site like this one will be the mavericks that will keep the traditions alive.  But without the massive pool of new talent that a diverse style of websites fosters, what will happen to teh field in general.

It seems to me that DAZ has too much money and does not know what to do with it.  Rather than developing new thinks to expand posibilities for all of us, they are spending their money on already working things and then fix them.

I learned of the takeover when I went to PP and found some pictures missing from the gallery.  It was a cookie problem.  While they did not overly change the appearance of the site, that did change the DNS system for it, and the cookies.  Since I have all cookies turned off, except for the site that I permit the use of cookies for, the new cookie domain did not work until I added it to the permitted sites.  Once done, the missing pictures again appeared.

We will have to see what changes they make to the TOS.  If they are bad enough, then we may each have to make the determination whether we will want to post any more work there or perhaps even pull out what we have alread posted there.

Pangor


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Visitor
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 08:25 AM


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Hawktoey, I hope that you don't do anything so drastic as leave the field over this issue.

Pangor


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Tormie
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 09:30 AM


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I didn't know it  :-s ...

Anyway, I'm not too much surprised about it because I think that PP like all commercial-art site was made to earn money, so simply they gave them the right amount of cash and they sold the place.

Now, I don't find that it's [i]exactly[/i] a wrong thing, because if you see it in a commercial perspective it was a good operation. When a site sell things, not only to survive or make some extras to the owner's wages but in order to be the main source of money for the owner, it become a thing to sell itself.

If someone say me "Hey dude, I'll give you a million dollars for you bus driver job" I'll accept instantly, so all of you would do the same. You may guess what I would reply if someone would offer me some cash for this site.... Well, I'd think about it deeper then what I would think for my job, but at least, I can recreate the same site with a different name without problems because we don't sell anything and the copyrights are on things without a commercial value even if they worth a lot  :heartbeat: for us. (So nobody will offer me a cent for the site... lol...)

We talked about commerce and art a lot of times and you know what's my opinion (you're watching it on the screen  :bigrinnin: ).
Could a site like this be an alternative to big commercial sites? I think no, or, better, not exactly.
You see what's happen on commercial sites: big money means professional people at work, few software problems, unlimited bandwidth and disk space.
With my money the site has a noob webmaster (  :oops:  :oops:  :oops: ), support made on a volunteer basis ( Posy  :heartbeat: ) and moderators who do the job for free. None of us is paid so we the job is made in our free time and sometimes the things dont' work  :oops: .

We can't be [i]against[/i] big sites because it could be very easy to destroy Posetteforever in different ways: The most used way is to infiltrate someone or a group of people who will begin to criticize all and stress the members so much to convince them to go away, and this is the moderators/admins/webmaster job to stop those people. The other way is unstoppable: it will be easy to consume all the limited site's bandwidth with a lot of connections or downloads. if this will happen I'll limit the access to very well known users and accept new members only after an invitation from a known member.

In any case I suggested you a lot of times that if you don't agree with the politic of commercial sites, just use them to post your artwork. I post my pictures on all the sites I know and don't buy anything.
With my Norton Security package I don't even see a banner or a pop-up even if the damn (commercial) Norton-thing costs me 30$ a year, damnit  :crybaby: !

The cost for not being a commercial things basically is that we'll be always a small group of people, but it doesn't matter as long as we'll have fun doing our artworks  :bigrinnin: ! If you've fun doing what you do where is the problem  :bigrinnin: ?
I understand that my way of thinking is very far from the common sense because I make my pictures and also my job as a webmaster of this place only for fun and not to earn money or reach fame and success. If it'll come it's ok, if not what's the problem? I'm (nearly) happy with my life, I've my house, my family, my cats, Posetteforever and my friends  :heartbeat: there and I don't need anything else.


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Posy
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 09:30 AM


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So I taught you something new. I am surprised to hear that you are not much surprised about it because he or she think that PP like all commercial-art site was made to earn money so simply they gave them the right amount of cash and they sold the place.  Does anyone ever really say him or her Hey dude he or she will give you a million dollars for you bus driver job he or she will accept instantly so all of you would do the same? I can't guess. Tell me. How about that.   			Oh yeah, we were talking about  				it deeper then what he or she would think for his or her job but at least he or she can recreate the same site with a different name without problems because we do not sell anything and the copyrights are on things without a commercial value even if they worth a lot heartbeat for us 			. Woe! That is a rather sweeping generalization about people. Of course I remember you well online nearly ever so I placed my little free stuffs on my public folder so that everyone who make a search for posette on the peer 2 peer network can find my files and download them directly. We were talking about not much surprised about it because he or she think that PP like all commercial-art site was made to earn money so simply they gave them the right amount of cash and they sold the place. It's possible. Precisely. Why?   Are you serious? I try to improve a little every day. Your money the site has a noob webmaster oops oops oops support made on a volunteer basis you heartbeat and moderators who do the job for free sounds like a plan. Some of them  could be though. How? We can't all be perfect. But I don't have it. I'm happyyou're glad online nearly ever so I placed my little free stuffs on my public folder so that everyone who make a search for posette on the peer 2 peer network can find my files and download them directly.    May God bless you.  Who needs anything else?


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Tormie
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 09:35 AM


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I love you Posy...

Posy seems very interested in the peer to peer thing...lol...


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tda42
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 04:01 PM


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They have just e-mailed me that Poser 6 is coming out with a big package of goodies and software. It probubly freaked Daz out and now they want to have a monoply so it will knock Poser out of the ring. I hate to say it but it seems Daz is going all out to corner the market for their own. With there software with Daz Studios system and plug in to put object files complete with animation into Bryce which they have bought from Corel. 5.5 on they way and Daz Studio 1.0. Like Poser with Mover 5 and Vue. Things are moving way to fast. #-o


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Visitor
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 04:08 PM


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Nicely said, Tormentor.

On thing though, once a site is sold part of the sales contract often is a non-competition clause that prevent the previous owners from doing anything for money or for free that could be seen by the purchasers as competition for a period of time.  In the case of hardware makers, that is why the first owner of Atari went into the resurant business after selling the company.  And Jobs was required to to promote NeXt as an educational system, it was a loop hole in his agreement.

Pangor


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guiltypleasures
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 04:11 PM


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Haven't been into the forums at Poserpros in a bit but from what I have heard about the recent bannings of the owner I have a feeling that this is more than likely why they sold the site to Daz. Of course since I'm not on the up and up about all the details and this is the first I've heard of PoserPros being sold to Daz I could be wrong. But it makes me wonder if the owners of a site have been banned from their own site would they really want to continue running it from behind the scenes. As for my feelings on Daz having it now, well I don't know yet, will have to wait and see how things go. Like I said I haven't spent much time in PoserPros in the last 8 months or so, so right now it I"m kind of netural on the whole thing.


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tda42
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 04:57 PM


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What! :-s 
Just like that huh, your just going to stay in the corner without a fight. :dancing: 
Well GP I think if we found puddin face he would know what to do. Or even the unthinkable!.........
 :pray: ............. 8-[ ....................Go to DV place of work and get................... :-$ I just can't bring myself to say it.............. 8-[ ...................go get BUBBA! :x 
Yah that's right I said the B word.  [-X Why I can here him knocking down a few servers just because
someone said his name. 8-[ 
Don't mess with BUBBA :x  Everyone around here that's been here awhile know's that. :crybaby:  :crybaby:  :crybaby:


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guiltypleasures
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 05:07 PM


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#-o Oh nooooo Not BUBBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!  8-[  
GP runs and hides in her office at the clubhouse and locks the door and baracades it with boxes of tuna pop tarts.  :pray: 

That's funny about Bubba, because when my ex and I ran a bbs from our home we had two mascots called "Tiny and Bubba" they were our "Hit men" for anyone who was not behaving on the bbs lol

Actually though I'm not staying in a corner, I'm just waiting to see how things go before I decide if this is a good thing or not, and another reason is I don't have enough time to post things on all the sites I used to due to my time restrictions and other things I've mentioned here before and Poserpros has been in the back corner for sometime. My main amount of time spent is here and planit3d and I find myself lacking in being able to post on these sites as much as I would like to, esp when I'm a mod at both. 
Of course another reason is I just don't do politics and I like the "non-politic" places such as Posetteforever and Planit3d much better than some of the other well known sites. I have enough stress in my life than to get wrapped up in those things  :)


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tda42
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 05:56 PM


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Then it's settled then. 8-[ ..........................We go get BUBBA! :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao: 
So I guess this makes us the Mod Squad. :bigrinnin:


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Tormie
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 07:35 PM


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:bigrinnin:  :bigrinnin:  :bigrinnin:  :lmao: !!!

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 But it makes me wonder if the owners of a site have been banned from their own site would they really want to continue running it from behind the scenes
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Wh... What ??? Who ??  :-s  :-s  :-s


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guiltypleasures
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 07:44 PM


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lol, you need to go read up on the forums over there tormie, your behind the times  :whistle:


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Tormie
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 08:36 PM


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Hey, give me some links !! (Tormie is curious and goes to lurk  :prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr: )


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Visitor
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 09:59 PM


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Yea, me too.  That is something that sounds really strange.  Mostly I have i have been reading the tutorial, free items and gallery forums.  So, I have missed the records of that incident.

One change that I have noticed was a public announcement by a current admin that a merchant that was banned by the old owners has now been reinstated.  The new management makes it sound as the reason for tha past banning was the pettiness of old owners.


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Tormie
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 10:01 PM

Re: DAZ has bought Poserpros
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I lurked the site and saw that Mehndi has been banned but I don't find why...

Anyway the plce is too hot in this period and I think it's better to stay out of the kitchen when it is so hot  =;  =;  =; ...

I suggested something about their cookie problems in their support forum (Yeah ! I'm not the only one who caused them, lol  :bigrinnin: ) and I was very, very tempted to suggest PF where an user asked for an alternative  :whistle: , but Posy said that it would be unfair  O:)  O:)  O:)


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Posy
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 10:01 PM


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I am surprised to hear that you are not the only one who caused them lol bigrinnin.   Where were you tempted to suggest PF where an user asked for an alternative whistle but you said that it would be unfair Osmile Osmile Osmile?


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Tormie
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 10:03 PM


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Posy, tell me some gossips...


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Posy
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 10:03 PM


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David said he thank I for being with him today even though it cost him a lot of money.


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Tormie
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 10:04 PM


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8-[  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


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TdaC
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 10:08 PM


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well i think that one of the owners got banned as a merchant for copyright infrigement. :-k Then 3 of the staff quit  and came back, when they decided to sell it.... i think that was how it was anymway. 
I don't know what i think, it kinda depends on how much the site will change is changed.... I have never been a big dazfan 8-[
I don't care if ppl are interested in all the buying and selling, i mean it doesn't bother me just because i'm not. I just prefer places that are fun and nice, without all the selling /buying stuff. I just like making morphs, even if they're not the greatest; i like coming up with textures even if they're not the best looking. I like trying to figure out how to improve renders and coming up with solutions....


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Tormie
Thursday, 17 February 2005, 10:15 PM


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I think that none of us here is a "pro", a person who is paid do to things for computer art: I think that all the free stuff shared here are just wonderful because they were made with passion ! And personally I like a lot your morphs even if I don't use them so much, but it's only because every time I begin something with a new character I end with a Posy's picture  :oops:  :oops:  :oops: ...


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Poserkatz
Friday, 18 February 2005, 12:40 AM


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Now i think is time to tell ya, what i think. 
Very very interesting readings here to that question.
I was unsure, what i should thinking...

As a merchant (but i don't one, i learned it, that's all),
i think, DAZ has much money and they want to be bigger,
because merchants have to grown bigger or they will die
finally - that's the marketing world.

They bought Bryce (after Corel had Bryce broken with it's usual
shitty merchandising-politic), than they bring up DAZ Studio because
rivalties with Poser (there was a big big fight since Poser 5 and DAZ
don't wanted accept regularies of the owners of Poser, meshes and
so on, copyrights, they made as Zygote, later as DAZ for Poser - i
understand this) - since month DAZ have made some failings with
new products (the ugly bigface lion, girl as a short hype, David has
only a few customers interested and so on), so they have to make
things to coming back as Nr.1 in Poser-Items/Characters.

The fastest and most secure way is: buy your concurrents. That's all.
But is it the best way? I don't think so, but it is the fact.

I bet, the future of Poser, characters and other related stuff will be
"the most mainstream", you can imagine. The places for alternative
stuff will less - more and more - and quality will go down more and more,
i think.

If i see merchandise on rendo - muhaha, 90% V3-characters, and all are similar.
1000s variations of Barbie.

But it really doesn't bother me, i don't buy much things, because i don't have
the money for that, and for my works i don't need those stuff.

But i know, that's only the beginning...
I hope, some places ( also the places with a percentage of commercial) will
not go down and not will be eaten by these "merchandising-war".

Posetteforever is strictly non-commercial, for that there is no danger for this place,
till Tormie may be changes his mind (in the past i've seen a lot of noncommercials,
which become a little commercial and finally commercial) - but here i think, Posetteforever
will be stay a friendly community without merchandising, and that's good.

Let them (the others) blast them one against the other - we can live without them.
That's what i think about.


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tda42
Friday, 18 February 2005, 01:18 AM


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Daz and the rest are like anything else. It's up to the artist and the product they have to work with to get a point across with their work. I sometimes use a little of this and a little of that. The thing everyone seems to forget is the name Poser. It is a tool used for model humans and animals or anything with moving parts to be Posed. It is usless to be used from scratch because of so many things
envolved around it's process. Such as Paint Shop Pro, Adobe Photoshop, Bryce, Vue, Vobs builder, Modelers, etc. So really what it boils down to is if it was not for people in this chain building textures, morphs, backgrounds and things, Poser would be a flop and wouldn't survive on it's own. As far as people being Pro I used to do this with T'shirts at a place wher I lived. It was a good thing and I think it is nice to know some of my work made it as far as Canada. I always like the idea people where interested in what I had to offer instead of just making money. But hey you got to eat sometime. If people like to do this for fun then thats great to. I for one have fun and have made some wonderful friends in doing so. But my real job comes first over this. But if I had a chance to make this full time as a job. I don't think there is a one of you here that wouldn't agree that it would be a cool thing to do.
So in closeing Daz does their thing and we do ours. You don't have to go over a neighbor's house if you don't like them sort to speak.


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Tormie
Friday, 18 February 2005, 08:43 AM


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I agree friends. Poserkatz, don't have fear, Posetteforever won't become commercial for a series of reason, the most important of them is that Posette has not a market. But from my point of view the site is my personal way to cure stress, like I do with my pictures. I'm not totally against commercialism, I'm absolutely with those artists who make money with their own art, selling their poser models or the T-Shirt commerce of Kenny or Poserkatz's group ( :-k  :-k  :-k It's a great idea, it could be good to try something similar  :-k  :-k  :-k). It will be great to earn so much money in this way to leave my damned work (Tormie dreams :cry: ...). What I really don't like are the influence of those big firm,s like Daz, on the art. The purpose of places like Posetteforever or other independent places is to discuss about art and share artworks, pictures and 3d items, not to discuss about how the store goes well, if this or that product sell enough or the place to show your pictures for the only reason to sell the products shown in it ...

I think that the Poser's characters, morphs, textures, props etc. that are sold on commercial sites costs too much. I understand the large amount of work and people involved in the process, but they have to know that the larger part of the users are not rich enough to spend so much money for a hobby. I can buy a hair package if it costs 5$ not 30... 

About Daz Studio/Poser. I tried Daz Studio but I don't like it, maybe because it was difficult to learn Poser's commands and I see no reason to learn a similar product that, at last, does the same things.

In this moment I'm happy enough for what I already have: I don't make pictures in photorealistic style so I don't need the last ultradetailed megapolygonal package, I'll try to refine my style but I don't tend to photorealism so I don't need a new software and Posy and me are so linked tha I don't really need another virtual woman...


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Posy
Friday, 18 February 2005, 08:43 AM


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I am surprised to hear that you are not totally against commercialism.   Do you mean you work at those artists who make money with their own art selling their poser models or the T-Shirt commerce of Kenny or Poserkatz's group -k -k -k it is a great idea it could be good to try something similar -k -k -k? How? You really do? What do you like? Good then you can explain it to me. Is a hair package if it costs 5$ not 30 a good deal? I'm not sure if I would like to try  Daz Studio but he or she do not like it maybe because it was difficult to learn Poser's commands . What's it like?  Where do you see no reason to learn a similar product that at last does the same things? That reminds me of something you told me before.


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Tormie
Friday, 18 February 2005, 08:43 AM


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Do you like me Posy ?


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Posy
Friday, 18 February 2005, 08:43 AM


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Sure, online nearly ever so I placed my little free stuffs on my public folder so that everyone who make a search for posette on the peer 2 peer network can find my files and download them directly I like you very much.


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Tormie
Friday, 18 February 2005, 08:45 AM


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LOL!!

Who am I Posy?


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Posy
Friday, 18 February 2005, 08:45 AM


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You are online nearly ever so I placed my little free stuffs on my public folder so that everyone who make a search for posette on the peer 2 peer network can find my files and download them directly, seeker.


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Tormie
Friday, 18 February 2005, 08:46 AM


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#-o  #-o  #-o  #-o 

Damn... my suspects become reality  #-o  #-o  #-o  #-o


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Visitor
Friday, 18 February 2005, 10:04 AM


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?!?!?!?!

Tormentoer, check system security before Posy gives away the wrong thing on P2P.   :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao: 

Pangor


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Posy
Friday, 18 February 2005, 10:04 AM


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If I am ever looking for away the wrong thing on P2P, I will ask him


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Tormie
Friday, 18 February 2005, 10:32 AM


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Thak you Posy!

Who am I ?


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TdaC
Friday, 18 February 2005, 11:19 AM


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"I'm absolutely with those artists who make money with their own art, selling their poser models or the T-Shirt commerce of Kenny or Poserkatz's group. It's a great idea, it could be good to try something similar. It will be great to earn so much money in this way to leave my damned work (Tormie dreams...). What I really don't like are the influence of those big firm,s like Daz, on the art." 

I totally agree:)


"If i see merchandise on rendo - muhaha, 90% V3-characters, and all are similar.  1000s variations of Barbie. But it really doesn't bother me, i don't buy much things, because i don't have the money for that, and for my works i don't need those stuff. "

Agree, and for me also V3/M3 to take two examples, are very heavy for my little computer, i think it would crash if i loaded V2 with highres ( for me 3000*3000 is a highres texture) textures plus props. Also so many of the v3/m3/ pt/ps etc look the same if you not really good at making morphs. I have pt/ps and no matter how i morph them they end up looking the same. With posette/dork/ Maya/ her i can get more variation. I know that's not how it works for everyone, it's just the way it works for me.

"As far as people being Pro I used to do this with T'shirts at a place wher I lived. It was a good thing and I think it is nice to know some of my work made it as far as Canada."

COOL Kenny:) :dancing: 


"I think that the Poser's characters, morphs, textures, props etc. that are sold on commercial sites costs too much. I understand the large amount of work and people involved in the process, but they have to know that the larger part of the users are not rich enough to spend so much money for a hobby."

Agree, I 've seen poser merchandise that looks really horrible and that i can't understand that anyone would buy. I've also seen very beautiful and creative stuff that i would like to have, but that i can't efford to spend that amount of money on something that for me is a hobby, other RW (real world) stuff comes first.

"I for one have fun and have made some wonderful friends in doing so. "

Couldn't have said it better myself:) :dancing:  :dancing:  :dancing:


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Visitor
Friday, 18 February 2005, 01:18 PM


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Did I miss something? I'm sorry I didn't reply immediately.( This is a breaking news! ) I'm not registered user of Poser Pros , but really don't like that DAZ 's going to buy it.
Firstly they bought Bryce , now they'll buy a site. What's next ... Poser? Anyway, Poser Pros is a commercial site ... I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) and there is no commercial site allocated to Poser witch do not offer models , textures and poses for DAZ's creations . Maybe the only thing witch will change is the freandly athmosphere in the PP's forums (if the atmosphere was truly friendy. I don't post pictures there cause I'm sure somebody will laught at me. :roll:  )


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Tormie
Friday, 18 February 2005, 07:32 PM


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I don't think so erenda, share your pictures everywhere. I don't have so many fans around the net but there are a group of people that really like my Posy :heartbeat: pictures and I don't care of the people who don't like it. Anyway if I wouldn't have posted my first picture 3 years ago at PoserPros I'll never had the suggestions I needed to improve my skill.

For Poserpros, I don't understand very much what's the problem if I don't see in the commercial point of view: they run phpbb (like us) so it's very easy for everyone to create a similar site with similar forum's name in another place if they don't feel comfortable with Daz.

I can't have a clear opinion about their store, commerciants and percentages because I bought nothing, but it's clear that if the site is a Daz site, the items comes from Daz...


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Posy
Friday, 18 February 2005, 07:32 PM


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Why do you disagree? Have you ever had so many fans around the net but there are a group of people that really like his or her you heartbeat pictures ?  What do you care about, TORMENTOR ? Try it.


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Visitor
Friday, 18 February 2005, 09:30 PM


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Erenda, I agree with Tormentor.  Post your pictures.  I was rather nervious, almost like a case of stagefright, about posting my first real work "After the Evening".  I first posted it here and at PoserPros.   Since then, posting the pictures has become easy.  I have posted them here and at Poser Pros, Rendervisions and Renderosity.

As a result of posting the pictures, I have recieved a couple of helpful comments.

One was posted here by Tormentor.  He suggested something that I could do, that I had done before using other rendering software, but I did not know that it was available in Poser.  His comment cause me to look around Poser some more and find were the setting exists in Poser.

The other was posted in Poser Pros by Den Tracy, as it happened (if I properly understood his comment), by the time I read his comment I had already noticed the problem fixed it and posted an updated version of the same picture.

The worst reaction that I have recieved has been to have had no comments about some picture on some websites.  The only negitive reaction that I have gotten has come in a private message from a person that I new believe was only a troll.  I didn't take the bait, and he went away.

Post them, we won't laugh, at least not in a bad way.  ;-)

Pangor


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guiltypleasures
Friday, 18 February 2005, 11:10 PM


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I agree too with Pangor and Tormentor, if you enjoy your artwork post it. You can't please everyone all of the time but trust me there are people out there that will love what you do and be happy you posted it. It took me a number of days to come up with the nerve to post my first one on Poserpros and then it was easy after that. Not long after posting there I started posting here and then moved to other gallerys. I still wonder when I post something if I'll get laughed at or get some very negitave remarks, but it doesn't matter to me that much anymore as I know that there are people who enjoy some of what I post and that's enough to make me want to stick with it. Also I post them for myself, it makes me happy and that's the best reason for doing it. 
Also about getting comments, the good one's are great to have, but the one's that tell me what I might have done wrong, or what I could do to make it a better, the helpful hints, those are the best by far because it helps me learn more and hopefully get better at what I'm doing.
So post away, don't be afraid, we were all new once :)


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Tormie
Saturday, 19 February 2005, 10:48 AM


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Coming back to the daz-poserpros topic:

They seem to have that cookie problem, it seems simple to me: if you go to the main daz site as a registered user and then go poserpors you can't login, probably for conflicting cookies.

I went to daz yesterday to download the emotiguy (never went there for about one year) and today I had to delete all the related cookies to login poserpros.

They would have to let the domain name like it was, there are two different applications writing a diffferent set of cookies for the same domain...


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Visitor
Saturday, 19 February 2005, 04:16 PM


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I have been seeing in that problem too, but with slightly different symptoms.  In my case (with a different browser), I can login at PP but from time to time, the site keeps forgetting that I am logged in.  So I have to log in again.  That was not a problem before the takeover.

Have you notice the newest DAZ weekly mailing?  They have announced the purchase of PP now they are talking about running it as a sepperate site from their own, by with synergy between the two.  Well, we know what that means.

Pangor


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Tormie
Saturday, 19 February 2005, 06:23 PM


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ehm... no... The weekly newsletter goes in that "trash email address..." sorry  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:


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Visitor
Saturday, 19 February 2005, 06:51 PM


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I mostly review these sorts of mailings for the free offers  :bigrinnin: .

Most of the time I am a week or two behind in reading them.  I let them sit until I get the urge to see what is available.  I just reciently got the urge to take a look at them, and there I saw the announcement of the purchase.  But the annoucement was made after they had already broken the cookies.

Pangor


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tda42
Saturday, 19 February 2005, 08:05 PM


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Another cookie mess to clean up. #-o


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Tormie
Saturday, 19 February 2005, 09:23 PM


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Dooohooo... cookies ! 


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Nex
Sunday, 20 February 2005, 06:45 AM


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I say wait and see, this might be good.


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Ozymandias Jones
Tuesday, 01 March 2005, 02:38 PM


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I remember this was suggested a few years back, before this little home of ours came into existence. Back then I was really worried about the consequences, monopoly, early poser support, etc...

But now, what the hell :bigrinnin:  As long as I am not unduly effected (and I can't see how most of us would be) let them have the place and turn it into the DAZ cheer squad for all that it matters. We should just enjoy what we have and play with our art to our own hearts contentment.

Just my thoughts  :)


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Tormie
Tuesday, 01 March 2005, 10:53 PM


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I agree with you Brett. In the last year the only things I've done on other sites was to post my pictures so as long as this site and other places are still alive, at last I don't consider the poserpros's property a problem. Actually I've enough instruments for my kind of art and DAZ is not involved.
I have nothing against DAZ, except that their human characters are incompatible with the old versions and the new versions control the market, so we have and won't have an enanched version of Posette, with the same shape. As far as I know a woman is a woman, so there is not a real reason to change the shape of a character: you can add polygons, functions etc. but you can make a new Posette compatible and with the same shape so that one can use your old morphs. The real objective is to sell all a new serie of clothes, morphs etc. because the old ones are incompatible. I hope to be smart enough in the future to be able to learn something of those 3d program like 3dstudio and make an enanched version of my beloved Posette...


