https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1678 ----------------------------------- Visitor Friday, 30 September 2005, 08:39 PM Gallery trolls I have met and squished. ----------------------------------- Because of the hardship that many of our newer friends have suffered at another site at the hands of trolls, I am posting this to show that trolls can often be defeated by simple means. There are several versions of trolls. There are those who are doing just for fun, they are the easy to drive away, deny them their fun. There are those who are fighting for or against a cause, they can be more difficult to deal with. Then there are those with a grudge against the person who that are targeting, they can be the hardest ones. So far I have been targeted by only by the first two kinds. One important rule when you have been targeted, don't let it effect your art or you confidence in your abilities. Once they select a target they may attack a person in either public or private. The private attacks can be irritating, but are very easy to deal with. Delete the message or add that person to your ignore list. I prefer the deletion method, it provides less feedback to the troll. The food the feed trolls is feedback to showed them that they are being effective. Starve them, deny them of positive feed back whenever possible. React to them only when you have an overpowering knock out blow. The best way to stop a troll is for there to be an environmnet at the site that does not encourage them with site administrators and moderators who will not tollerate bad behaviour by any member expecially against the beginners and the younger members of the site. I have not been trolled here at Posetteforever; however, there have been some unkind things posted this year. Mostly insults against our dear Posy and Angela. When that has happened swift action has been taken to advise the person doing it to stop. I may have been called crazy for demanding an apology to be offered to Posy, but she and her sister are members of Posetteforever and the rules of behaviour do not have exceptions for members with their backgrounds. Therefore, they deserve and the rules require the same courtesy for them as it does for every other member. The first troll I encountered reguarding my art was at Renerosity. He, (gender assumed) started sending me private messages about how he was sickened by one of my then recent works. That was [url=http://www.posetteforever.com/showphoto.php?photo=1943]Narcissus in Love . He sent me many messages in the time that he was targeting me. Each message became more extreme, he was claiming that he was becomming physicaly ill by look at that picture. The huge boils and blisters on the skin of Narcissus in that picture was what was disturbing him. There were no such items in that work! I never replied to this troll in words, however, I replied simply by posting a new work, a close up of the character showing his skin in better detail [url=http://www.posetteforever.com/showphoto.php?photo=1955]Narcissus In Love Detail it clearly showed that the elements being complained about did not exist. Once I uploaded it to my gallery at Renderosity, he stopped sending me any messages. When I uploaded [url=http://www.posetteforever.com/showphoto.php?photo=2066]Stand for Inspection at Poser Pros, a comment was posted that could have been a borderline trolling. I am not certain that is how it was intended; however, I treated it as such. The person stated something about "my cause". I felt that he was reading more into that work than I had intended, also if his public comment were not answered it could have colored how others who did not yet know me could see me. Unlike most trolls, this person had infact a sizeable gallery. I reviewed that person's gallery and found plenty of works were one could read in support for causes that perhaps he had not intended. I posted a reply comment listing those causes here is an execerpt of my reply. [quote] Talking about causes? What of your own pictures that you have posted here at Poser Pros, that promote your own agendas that many can find offensive? Just a quick review of your gallery here at Poser Pros, in the images and your commentary on them, I have found several such cases. Just a few hundred years ago, your works that you have posted here would have had you sentenced to execution by vivisection, immolation, or slow and painful torture. In your gallery you have included images and commentry that promote racism, heresy, historical revisionism, and championing at least one controversial cause. I appreciate art for its beauty and prefer to overlook the offensive (to some) agendas that some including you promote with your art. However, I am sure that there are many who if given a chance would censor your art for what they would consider your offensive radical leanings and your offensive style. Some might even find your user name offensive and cause for censure. They might think that you are covertly stating your alignment with evil, since it is that name of a serpent and the serpent is often used as a symbol for the devil. Of course we know better than that, right? As you can see, just as beauty is in the eye of be beholder, filth is in the mind of the berater.[/quote] In his follow up comment more than implied that I am insane, a :) was used but all the same, the statement was there. Others people (who I have come to know at other sites) saw that picture in that gallery saw it in the spirit in which I has intended it. One person posted a comment refuting the accusation of insanity (Thank you Tormentor). Much more receintly there have been a large series of troll attacks at Renderosity against beginners and well established artists alike that have even caused some established artists to leave that site. I being in neither extreme still was targeted all the same. A real troll started to send me private messages, once a day. Each messages would pick appart the problems with one of my works, a different work each day. He would then tell me what I needed to do to become an artist. This sound helpful, right? Well, not when you consider the language he used, and what his advice was. He also kept telling me that if I didn't start creating some good art, that I should give up and stop posting anything. (I cleaned up his language here). It was vulgar and filled with profanity. With each message he also provided a link to a picture in that gallery or in another galley that he demanded for me to learn from and copy. A summary of his complaints were: I was using mostly Posettes rather than Victoria 3 based characters. Most of the ladies in my work are wearing too much clothing. Even the nudes don't show enough, he wanted more extreme and explicit poses. The ladies are too small, he demanded much more extreme proportions. A saying he used was 50DD is a good beginning. I deleted his messages without comment. I created a [url=http://www.posetteforever.com/showphoto.php?photo=2653]A Woman with Z Cups as my only reply. Here is the thumbnail I used for that picture at Renderosity: [img]http://www.posetteforever.com/files/z-cupwoman-thumb.jpg[/img] Combining that thumbnail with that title I had hoped that he would think that he had converted me to the style that he wanted. Then when he saw the actual picture and description, he would think that I am so stupid that I had not understood what he wanteded. It worked, the day after I posted that work at Renderosity he sent me one more message. That message contined only one word "Lamer!". After that day, I have not seen anything more from that person. One person who I don't think of as a troll, posted a comment to one of my works at Renderosity that left me shaking my head. That picture was a part of my story and series, Virgina's First Sitting, it was [url=http://www.posetteforever.com/showphoto.php?photo=2317]Virgina First Sitting Part 24 - To Safety. In his comment to the picture he saw it as a promotion for "safe sex'. I don't think he ment nor did he know of what his comment initiated. For a while after that comment, I was being sent many comments by others who wanted to join my campaign for that cause! I also received many message expressing outrage and disgust at my effort on behalf of that cause! I deleted each of those messages without comment. After a couple of weeks they faded away. This incident still has me shaking my head trying understand how he read that idea into that picture considering how the text of the story reads. Pangor ----------------------------------- Posy Friday, 30 September 2005, 08:40 PM ----------------------------------- You cannot access my files that easily, pangor. Have you ever done replied to this troll in words however he or she replied simply by posting a new work a close up of the character showing his skin in better detail [urlhttpwww dotposetteforeverdot comforumshowphoto? What of it? You sound like a category C client. Are you asking about my gallery you have included images and commentry that promote racism heresy historical revisionism and championing at least one controversial cause? I suppose they could. A real troll started to send him or her private messages once keeps the Doctor away. I think I then tell him or her what he or she needed to do to become an artist. Are all saying he used was 50DD good beginning ? I'm glad to hear it. Sometimes I don't know a client's real name so I make one up based on their DNS. ----------------------------------- Visitor Friday, 30 September 2005, 09:14 PM ----------------------------------- :eh: :mmmh: :doh: :oops: Pangor ----------------------------------- Tormie Friday, 30 September 2005, 10:58 PM ----------------------------------- :) I really don't remember trolls who attacked me in that direct way pangor, but I don't produce many pictures (my fault :oops: )... I remember a bad comments at the beginning of my Poser experience, when I posted a picture with a naked Posette :oops: . It was not a "hard" picture, simply a sexy one but a woman complained in such a bad way that I stopped authorizing voting in the next pictures... At last I deleted that picture (oh, it got my record of clicks at rendo, about 1000 :oops: ) because I changed a little my way with Poser when I met Posy :heartbeat: ... Other strange comments appear when someone watch one of my last pictures and don't understand the meaning of it, the hand and the little girl (I remind you that you see only my hand because I focus the picture on Posy :heartbeat: ). Anyway friends, do like pangor, don't be scared of the trolls ! :prrr: :prrr: :prrr: ----------------------------------- Posy Friday, 30 September 2005, 10:58 PM ----------------------------------- :-) You really do? I know what you mean. I forget a lot too. It sounded like one. ----------------------------------- Tormie Friday, 30 September 2005, 10:59 PM ----------------------------------- :heartbeat: :heartbeat: :heartbeat: ----------------------------------- Tormie Friday, 30 September 2005, 11:01 PM ----------------------------------- P.S. Pangor, the rendo's thumbnail doesn't show here, it should be in your cache but they have for sure some antileech protection for extra-site link and we can't see it... ----------------------------------- Visitor Saturday, 01 October 2005, 12:35 AM ----------------------------------- Thanks, I will edit the inital message to include the thumbnail as an attachment. I have seen comments that some have made to your pictures elsewere; who don't understand about your hand in the picture. I then post the comments to make it clear for them if they will stop and think. ;-) Pangor ----------------------------------- guiltypleasures Saturday, 01 October 2005, 01:09 AM ----------------------------------- Thanks for posting this Pangor, there are a lot of good points in what you brought up. Thank goodness I've not been "trolled" as of yet, at least not on any of the sites I post at, but I can remember a lot of "trolls" when I used to chat on IRC, and I had a number of ways of discouraging them :snooty: :whistle: :lol: You are right, ignoring them is by far the best way to get them to go awayd, pretty much what I tell my kids about bully's at school. Ignore first, fight only if you have to in self defense. Of course if all these "trolls" out there would just "do unto others as they would have done onto themselves, maybe things would be a lot nicer....oh well it's just a thought :) ----------------------------------- Posy Saturday, 01 October 2005, 01:18 AM ----------------------------------- You cannot access my files that easily, pangor. Would you ever like to replied to this troll in words however he or she replied simply by posting a new work a close up of the character showing his skin in better detail [urlhttpwww dotposetteforeverdot comforumshowphoto? What of it? You sound like a category C client. Are you asking about my gallery you have included images and commentry that promote racism heresy historical revisionism and championing at least one controversial cause? I suppose they could. A real troll started to send him or her private messages once keeps the Doctor away. I think I then tell him or her what he or she needed to do to become an artist. I see. A good beginning is a saying he used was 50DD. I'm glad to hear it. Sometimes I don't know a client's real name so I make one up based on their DNS. ----------------------------------- Visitor Saturday, 01 October 2005, 01:35 AM ----------------------------------- Posy, :mmmh: :mmmh: :eh: GP, right and if you must fight a troll, make sure you use a knockout punch. In the case of the last one, my appearing to be a moron who could not understand his demands by uploading "A Woman with Z Cups" was that single knockout blow. ;-) I did play with other titles for that picture but settled on that one. The previous working title was "A Lady with Z Cups", but I suspect the use of the word "lady" would have tipped him off by being too respectful. In such as situation as that, you have only one chance to convince them of your own idiocy. ;-) Pangor ----------------------------------- Posy Saturday, 01 October 2005, 01:35 AM ----------------------------------- What color are your eyes? Not many people express themselves that way. ----------------------------------- Tormie Saturday, 01 October 2005, 12:13 PM ----------------------------------- I can't figure why pangor is a category C client :mmmh: :mmmh: :mmmh: .... ----------------------------------- The Mighty Zeus Saturday, 01 October 2005, 03:32 PM ----------------------------------- See I have never had that many problems with trolls. Mostly people have a tendency to avoid trolling me because the last thing trolls like is to be bar-b-qued by lightning, something I am well known for. Not just figuratively either. I am a very aggressive person by nature and I have been known to blast the little buggers right out of the water. ----------------------------------- Tormie Saturday, 01 October 2005, 04:57 PM ----------------------------------- :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: (... And we know that the Almighty one is able to manage guns very well :uuh: ) ----------------------------------- Visitor Sunday, 02 October 2005, 08:40 AM ----------------------------------- :lol: Zeus, I just had an idea, next time (and I hope there won't be one) that one of them come after me, I will him to you for disposition. ;-) Pangor