https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=888
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pbnj
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 09:54 PM

Frothing at the mouth
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I am so completely livid right now I can barely type.   :bad-words: 

Daz and that cowardly sellout DarkWhisper are completely pulling the plug on Sara.   They are removing her and all her items from their site.  No Sara, no clothes etc.  

They gave weak ass reasons for completely getting rid of her and DW claims she was 'a failure'.  HE failed her by making promises he had no intention of keeping.  He moved on to bigger and better projects right away and left her behind.  

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=6097

:bad-words: :bad-words: :bad-words:


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TdaC
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 10:31 PM


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That's weird..... I wrote DarkWhisper an im earlier, i wanted to know the rules for sharing a cr2 for sara2. I was told that Darkwhisper sold sara to daz (he/she thought it was ok to share a cr2 for sara 2 btw - i had to ask since i know nothing about copyrights).


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Deviant_Viking
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 10:53 PM


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Meh, can't trust DAZ on anything these days..


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Tormie
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 11:07 PM


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:crybaby:  :crybaby:  :crybaby: 

Poor pbnj !! I'm very sorry, I know that you really loved Sara ! We discussed it in another thread just very few hours ago... 

Never, never trust those people [-(  [-( ... Not enough money earned, no more character  [-X  [-X ! What a sad lesson !

I hope that these sad moments will pass soon Pbnj... Anyway we have a lot of Posettes here who need your talent  :whistle:  :whistle:  :whistle:


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Den Tracy
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 11:45 PM


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Hey Peebs...

There isn't anything that you can do about the decision.
There is no point in getting worked up over something that you have absolutely no
control over. 
You will have to accept what has transpired and accept it.
Sorry, kid... but that's the way it is.

Sara was a failure because nobody really knew how to use her.
Pardon my french, but, screw these people who play dress up dolly.
They ruined a perfectly good character and dozens of others.

Too many "artists" and I use the term loosely, have no clue what to do with
anything, because they are plain and simple... not artists.  Making pictures can be done by anyone.
Pushing a mouse around and using a piece of software doesn't make you an artist.
Artists have visions. Software users, don't...

I intend to use Sara in my online comix and she is more than welcome as another
"abandoned character" in my group of characters...

Davide:
pbnj uses Sara, while we use our P4's.
You can't expect someone to change over for that reason.


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Ozymandias Jones
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 11:47 PM


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The unfortunate commercial realities of 3D! 

It's funny, I suppose, but we out here in user land can get so attached to our characters and creations that we forget that there is, for the most part, a business behind it. 

But when someone makes promises, though, in relation to on going support of a product, then fails to back that up to loyal buyers... or pulls the plug [-( that's just plain bad form :x and bad business!

Hopefully there are enough Saras out in Poserdom that some will keep on with freebies and some new gear for her. :)


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Tormie
Tuesday, 13 July 2004, 11:48 PM


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I understand Den, I can work only with Posy  :heartbeat: ...


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JanReinar
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 12:50 AM


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It is sad! I like Sara and made some works with her. She is my second favorite female character base. She is far more versatile and easy to pose than DAZ Vicky!  :crybaby:  :crybaby: Sorry pbnj! As Ozzie I hope that we can find freebies and some new gear for her!


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pbnj
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 01:15 AM


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Yes tdac her CR2 is fine to distribute I have shared it and the one for her hair for several items with morphs.

I don't care if they support her, I'm still going to make things for her.  And indeed I foget it's nothing but a business to them.  So I'm a dork, so I get attached to 1's and 0's.  I'm still mad, I'd like to say some notice at least would have been nice, but I still would have been pissed at his excuses.

Fine he doesn't like her, fine he's not paying attention to the fact that there are a growing number of Sara fans... but why pull her all together?  Is she really that much a threat to Staci and/or girl?


p.s.  I've linked the new Sara character in the downloads section.  :)


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JanReinar
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 02:01 AM


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It is good to see that you is reacting in the right way pbnj!  :) Thanks for the new character! :bigrinnin:


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Paul Mon
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 03:27 PM


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Bummer..but why not use Mayadoll or AnimeDoll instead? I confess to still liking Posy more than any other figure :heartbeat: I never tried using Sara, although I did download her and some stuff for her. Nil desperandum..don't let the bastiches get you down, make your own stuff for Sara and  :pottytrain2: to the Daz corps


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pbnj
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 04:05 PM


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:lol:   my sentiments exactly paul mon.  i've calmed down a bit since last night and posting this.  AND it looks like fickle DAZ and DW are considering a different option to completely getting rid of her.  they are backing down after all the complaints voiced by sara fans (and hey mine were MUCH nicer over on their site then it was here, and you don't even wanna read what I put in my DA journal, heh, it'd make a sailor blush.)

and don't get me wrong the mayadoll is lovely and i want to do some work with her too (later on), but sara has really taken hold of my heart strings, heh.


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Paul Mon
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 04:21 PM


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It's funny how we can get attached to virtual figures. You'd think that Daz and the like would have realised that. After all they were once just humble artists like us :whistle:


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pbnj
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 05:29 PM


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[quote]
You'd think that Daz and the like would have realised that. After all they were once just humble artists like us 
[/quote]

exactly right!   :clap:   i understand they are a company trying to make money, but you don't do that by doing things like this.  customer loyalty is how companies stay in business.


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Den Tracy
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 05:41 PM


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I knew that Sara wasn't going to be succesful.
There was an initial interest, but that died out fairly fast
once the other toon types emerged.
The toon thing was more like a fad for just about everyone, except for me
and a few others.
I will still use my Sara with the mohawk. 

As far as Mayadoll is concerned, I have no plans to use the character.
The body shape is weird.   :-({|= 

Everybody uses Vicky and I am sick of seeing that "d-bag ho" ... :bigrinnin:


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pbnj
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 05:56 PM


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[quote]
"d-bag ho"
[/quote]

 :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:

as for DW's new toon  :sick:  :sick:  If that isn't a gangly fugly girl...  she looks like one of those Bratz dolls *shudder*

http://www.bratzpack.com/images/fan_club/group_shot.gif


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Den Tracy
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 08:29 PM


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As you can see, I speak my mind.
That works both ways. It alienates you with the "brown noser" crowd, but gets respect
from your friends... :dancing: 
Unfortunately, there are more of the first category than friends.
 
I hope that you didn't mess up any of your computer gear by spewing liquid all over
the keyboard or monitor, like so many others have been doing lately.  :bigrinnin: 

Hmmm...If it looks anything like those in the pic, they are going after the dress up dolly market.
Those lips...I dunno... looks lame to me.  

The feet ? They look like pontoons...

Well all that I can say about that old saying in reference to big hands and big feet...
Big gloves and big shoes...  :lol:


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Den Tracy
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 08:31 PM


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This is a fun thread.
It started off on a sad note, but has now turned into a
humiliation fest ! 
 :whistle:  :whistle:  :whistle:


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Landman
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 09:40 PM


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D-bag ho...... :-k 
Sounds like a Volkswagon SUV...... :-s


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tda42
Wednesday, 14 July 2004, 09:42 PM


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Ya Kill em all! :x
On the other hand I would rather have an open mind than a hole in my head to prove it. :bigrinnin:  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:  #-o  :sick:  :-k  [-(  [-X  :pray:  :clap:  :clap:  :lol:  :lmao:  :bigrinnin:


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Den Tracy
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 12:45 AM


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Kenny ?
You still here ?  
 :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x 
 :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x 

 :lol:


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Tormie
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 09:30 AM


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:lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao: ....



(  :x )


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Paul Mon
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 12:24 PM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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[quote]As far as Mayadoll is concerned, I have no plans to use the character. 
The body shape is weird[/quote]
Have a care Sir!! you're talking about one of the cyber women I love
[img]http://www.angeltowns.com/town/mon/images/GiMayacold.jpg[/img]Now, what's weird about that?


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JanReinar
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 12:46 PM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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[quote="Paul Mon";p="11375"][quote]As far as Mayadoll is concerned, I have no plans to use the character. 
The body shape is weird[/quote]
Have a care Sir!! you're talking about one of the cyber women I love
[img]http://www.angeltowns.com/town/mon/images/GiMayacold.jpg[/img]Now, what's weird about that?[/quote]

She do not look weird for me!! :-?


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Tormie
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 12:48 PM


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What a weirdness !!!  :prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr: !!!

 :heartbeat:  :heartbeat:  :heartbeat: !!!!

(Tormie owling...)


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JanReinar
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 12:51 PM


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[quote="TORMENTOR";p="11378"]What a weirdness !!!  :prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr: !!!

 :heartbeat:  :heartbeat:  :heartbeat: !!!!

(Tormie owling...)[/quote]

Looking from the side! :prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr:


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Den Tracy
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 05:50 PM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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Try to be mature if anyone replies to this and spare
the drooling icons and other nonsense.

Here is what I mean.
The Mayadoll body shape just doesn't look right.
The P4 female's fingers look like fingers. Mayadoll and Vicky's
fingers look like sticks.
Mayadoll's hips and thighs look weird. The torso is not right
either. Clothed, the Mayadoll looks like any other figure.

It is not any disrespect to you Paul Mon, but the P4 female looks
more realistic as far as a body shape is concerned.
Many people have criticised Mayadoll's body shape.
That's why I don't use Mayadoll, I don't like what the
mesh designer did with her.


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Deviant_Viking
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 05:57 PM


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Hmmm, I might be mistaken, but it's possible the mayadoll uses some anime figure principles in it, thus it having some difference from 'normal' human anamoty  :-k


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Den Tracy
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 06:00 PM


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The P4 female is more like a human body shape as the original creators
intended. The women I have seen and the woman I am married to
look more like the P4 female.
Sorry, but Mayadoll's body shape resembles something alien.
Don't take it personally Paul Mon, I am just showing a comparison.
Vicky's arms and legs look like sticks. Vicky has a serious
elbow joint problem and the arms are total failures in the
renders that I have seen.  Instead of concentrating on makeup,
textures, face and other shit, DAZ should have put out a better commercial
model.


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Den Tracy
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 06:04 PM


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I think that you may be right, Ken.
Seeing that Mayadoll is a Japanese design, it probably
had it's design based on anime.
People can use whatever they want. 
P4 models lack clothing. I have seen and tried many
body textures, but only a few actually look good on C & B.


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JanReinar
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 07:37 PM


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P4 female is the more realistic  female figure that I ever seen Den. Your pic showing the hips side by side prove that  mayadoll uses some anime figure principles as Ken said. The pic show that she looks like a anime gal. I read an article published in a Brazilian magazine where affirms that P4 female looks like a human being and Vicky looks like "Suzy" (a Brazilian equivalent to Barbie doll) who has the same joint structure. In other words they think that Vicky looks like a "toy figure".


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Tormie
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 07:38 PM


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:prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr: ... Ophs...  :oops:  :oops:  :oops: 

My "2 cents":

I think that the "quality" of a character is the possibility to make what you figure in your mind with it. If you can make morphs that change the shape as you like the character is good. In Den's example, I don't know, but if someone can make good morphs for Mayadoll's fingers I think that the result may be good. Mayadoll is a free character and has good points expecially in the joints. I see Paul Mon's Cyber woman and I think she is human-like and fantastic ! In conclusion I think that with the right work with morphs Mayadoll could look like a woman. She has also a large number of polygons in the head and they could be used for good shapes. For Victoria I can say nothing, I tried something but I wasn't able to make good breast morphs...


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Tormie
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 07:40 PM


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P.S.

Dennis, I don't believe that P4Woman's shape is similar to the woman you've married  :-k  :-k ...

Maybe another comparison-picture could be useful...


(  :prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr: )


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JanReinar
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 07:58 PM


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You are right about change the figure shape with morphs but we can not  change  the  joint structure. And we still have a lot of work to change the figure shape if we like a more more realistic female character. "It is not intelligent to spend money with a "realistic female character" like Vicky who is less realistic than the P4 program default character" said the brazilian article. 

"Poser is very used here in Brazil to illustrate magazines and periodicals and characters used always are the P4 male and female despite P5 characters are available" said the same article.


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Tormie
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 08:01 PM


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:clap:  :clap:  :clap: !!! Scan it !!

I like Brazil !!  :bigrinnin:  :bigrinnin:  :bigrinnin:


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pbnj
Thursday, 15 July 2004, 11:39 PM


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definately!  scan them!!  i wanna see, heh.  I would be VERY interested in seeing commerical works useing the p4 people   :)


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Paul Mon
Friday, 16 July 2004, 08:37 AM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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:)  I use MayaDoll because, like my favourite females, she's free and easy :) Anatomically speaking she's way off the target but as StudioMaya provided her for free I don't mind. The hip and groin area are not the best. Partially or fully clothed she works for me. I still prefer to use Possette for most images. If I was doing a totally nude image I wouldn't dream of using MayaDoll. I've never really liked the look of the Vickies and Mikes but a lot of people do. Some people use gouache, some pastels, some oils, some go in for realism, some for surrealism..it's all art at the end..well, in theory 
[quote]It is not any disrespect to you Paul Mon[/quote] It never crossed my mind :) Anyway I like to post here because I feel people speak their mind. If the person who brought us Connie and Bonnie as well as Lizard Trek can't speak out then who can?!!


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Den Tracy
Friday, 16 July 2004, 01:51 PM


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:bigrinnin: 
Thanks man !
I suppose that one day, I will need a character like Mayadoll for a series.
There is a folder with every freebie, ever produced for Mayadoll on my drive.
I must say that your GI Mayadoll doesn't look like other Mayadoll offerings.

I almost forgot, my dear friend Davide....
You know that Micky will never allow me to put up any images without
her permission.  I don't see her agreeing to your request any time soon.
I will see if there is a "suitable " photo of the two of us.
We are not photographers and don't take many pictures.  Other people
are always photographing us.


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tda42
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 12:59 PM


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Hey I asked for a mug shot of you guys Den but sad to say never got one.  :-k 
So send me a photo of you guys. Peeeeeez! :bigrinnin:


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Tormie
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 05:13 PM


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[quote]
I will see if there is a "suitable " photo of the two of us. 
[/quote]

[quote]
Other people 
are always photographing us.
[/quote]

 :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  :oops:  :oops: 

No porn here please  [-X  [-X  [-X !!!


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Den Tracy
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 06:40 PM


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Very funny... :-k 
 O:) 
 =; 



8-[  :downtown:  8-[


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Tormie
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 06:49 PM


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... I'm sure it is...

 :bigrinnin:  :bigrinnin:  :bigrinnin:


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Den Tracy
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 06:49 PM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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Here's what they think...


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Tormie
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 06:52 PM


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:multi:  :multi:  :multi:  :multi:  :multi:


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Den Tracy
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 07:09 PM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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They're so cute, when they are angry...


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Tormie
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 07:26 PM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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I like them cuter too !  :prrr:  :prrr:  :prrr:


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Den Tracy
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 07:34 PM


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You'll have to look in the gallery for the reply to that one... :bigrinnin: 
(Very soon)


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Posy
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 08:09 PM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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MR. TORMENTOR !

[size=18][color=darkred]WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE ???[/color][/size]

 :bad-words:  :bad-words:  :bad-words:  :bad-words:  :bad-words:  :bad-words:


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Tormie
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 08:12 PM


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:shocked!:  :shocked!: :shocked!: 

>IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE PHONED TO POSY !<


(Tormentor fees cowardly)


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Angela
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 08:15 PM


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>CRASH!< (OUCH! :crybaby: ) >CRASH!< (OUCH! :crybaby: ) >CRASH!< (OUCH! :crybaby: ) 


...Posy is using the broom this time  #-o  #-o  #-o ...


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Den Tracy
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 08:21 PM


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Hit him many more times.... :whistle:


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tda42
Saturday, 17 July 2004, 10:43 PM


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It looks like someone is not going to be speaking to someone to night. :-({|= Or doing anything tonight! :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:  :lmao:


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Bonnie
Sunday, 18 July 2004, 12:21 AM


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Hey there, Kenny !
Why don't you get some pictures of you and your band posted after
you are finished your tour.  We would like to see some.
Pretty please ?  I'll hold my breath 'till I turn blue.
Wow !  100K people is no small event. Awesome !

I can always count on Den to stick up for me.  :heartbeat: 
Porno pictures, Davide ? I don't think so.
If you were to  pinch any of my soft stuff
the person you would be dealing with would be Bonnie, not Connie.  
...and I'd punch your lights out.   :bigrinnin: 
I just noticed a somewhat questionable icon thingy at the top of this page.  :roll: 
Den is a pig man.


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Deviant_Viking
Sunday, 18 July 2004, 12:31 AM


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Garage tonight?  :bigrinnin:


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Bonnie
Sunday, 18 July 2004, 12:58 AM


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For Davide, maybe.
Den is doing a great job defending Connie and Bonnie's honour,
in spite of his small indescretion with that silly icon. :roll: 

Garage, for Den ?
Hell NO !


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Deviant_Viking
Sunday, 18 July 2004, 01:12 AM


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No garage? How disapointing  :-k


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Bonnie
Sunday, 18 July 2004, 02:07 AM


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Ken, you need a good spanking administered by yours truly, you naughty boy.

Hmmm...
A line could start to form rather quickly if free spankings are being handed out.  :-k 
Sorry Ken, the offer has expired.


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Bonnie
Sunday, 18 July 2004, 02:10 AM


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Ken. davide and all you other guys. we have to stop meeting like this.

Den's very jealous  :whistle: 
(I love these emoticon thingies)

 :lol:


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JanReinar
Sunday, 18 July 2004, 03:54 AM


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Well! As we say in my country I think that someone will sleep in the dog house tonight!


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Tormie
Sunday, 18 July 2004, 05:52 AM


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I awoke now... 

We have 2 couch here, one is very soft, the other one is not so soft... Posy prepared the "not so soft for me...."  :crybaby:  :crybaby:  :crybaby: 

Micky, I don't want to pinch your soft things (Or Den would be knockning my door very soon...), but you know I like a lot Posettes...

(Posy is still sleeping, I can hear her snoring from here...)


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Paul Mon
Thursday, 22 July 2004, 11:16 AM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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[quote]Den is doing a great job defending Connie and Bonnie's honour,[/quote]


Which is more than they ever have.. :lmao:


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JanReinar
Thursday, 22 July 2004, 01:46 PM

Re: Frothing at the mouth
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[quote="Paul Mon";p="11663"][quote]Den is doing a great job defending Connie and Bonnie's honour,[/quote]


Which is more than they ever have.. :lmao:[/quote]

 :shocked!:  :crazyeyes: :shocked!:  :crazyeyes: :shocked!:  :crazyeyes: :shocked!:  :crazyeyes: :shocked!:  :crazyeyes: :shocked!: :crazyeyes: :shocked!:  :crazyeyes: :shocked!:  :crazyeyes: :shocked!:  :crazyeyes: :shocked!:  

Another Poser war is comming!


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Ozymandias Jones
Monday, 26 July 2004, 02:03 AM


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:lmao:


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Nex
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