https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2192&p=31970#p31970 ----------------------------------- Visitor Saturday, 08 July 2006, 09:08 PM ----------------------------------- I do understand the idea of a free download item being offered even by a commercial firm. Though this may look similar to the free purchase and download of V3, M3, A3, and Emotiguy from DAZ. There is a critical difference in this instance. With those models, they could be downloaded and used without any financial gain by DAZ or anyone else. In this case the offer being posted here leads to Posetteforever being involved in the financial gain of two organizations. The first being e-frontier, the survey was to help them determine how to best market one of their products for the greatest profit. Also such marketing surveys often cost a huge amount money. Doing it this way, the cost for the survey was minimal resulting in greater net profits for the company. There are three interconnected sites. The main site is Dreamslayer Artworks. The second is Dreamslayer Artworks Evolution for Anime and Manga art. The third site is Darker Realms, it was started to hold works and discussion deemed to be too extreme for the main site. All three sites operate like one much larger site they are owned by Armorbeast and DarkAngel is an admin of those sites, wish I will refer to as DA. DA is free to its members to join, but it is a commercial site. They have sponsors. For contests the sponsors provide the prizes. Such as for the PotW (Picture of the Week) winner gets a gift certificate for use at the sponsor's site. The sponsors provide payments to DA. In exchange for their payments DA and it staff are rewuired to promote those sponsors on their three sites and on other sites such as PF as well. e-frontiers is one of DA's corporate sponsors. Therefore, posting of the promotion at Posetteforever, was not such an altruistic act as it appeared to be on the surface. The last time this happened, the promotion was removed by Tormie, and I spoke at some lentgh with her about PF policy, DSA policy, DSA obligations to their sponsors and talk about other admin issues. Then we settled the issue with a friendly admin to admin agreement. She was to post any realy free items just as any other member can. However, any reguarding one of their sponsors or any conditional free items would have to be cleard by Tormie or myself prior to it being posted anywhere on PF. I believe that is was an oversight on her part, in forgetting to having it clear first, as per our agreement. Had she preseted it to us for approval, the wording would have been rejected since it was promotional copy provided by e-frontier. The link itself would have been rejected because of the survey combined with it being a link to a sponsor of DA. There is nothing wrong with what she did, excepet that it not compatible with the non-commercial policy of PF.