https://www.posetteforever.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=2746&p=35496#p35496 ----------------------------------- Visitor Monday, 23 April 2007, 03:33 AM Re: PosetteV3 ----------------------------------- The general rule has been he creates a thing owns that thing. To own a thing is to control the thing. The matter is simple. TdaC created her morphs, she owns them. That is a fact and not an issue to be debated. From the moment they are created, items like the morphs the copyright law is in force, the owner is the only one with any rights involving them. The owner has all the rights to determine how the item will be used. If the owner wishes to, the item may be withheld, or sold, or offered for use gratis. But the person holding the copy of the item had no rights, only has the privliiage of doing with it as the owner permits. That is an axiom. TdaC had uploaded these item here for use by members, and they are licenced for use in renders (implied) they may not be given to another person in any form (clearly stated) they may not be used to create derivatives (clearly prohibited by the license not offering such priviliage). What remaining use is her offerings? for the use that she intended them to be used, as morphs for our renders. TdaC is not selfish to retain her ownership, she is generous to offer them to us as she has! We should be thankful to her, respectful of her wishes involving them, and [b]not make direct or indirect accusations of selfishness against her[/b]. There is selfishness present, that being the selfishness of those who would demand more from her than she has offered. There is also selfishness of using her creations without permission, notification or attibution. By the law, what has been done by their use is a clear case of theft, the law has been broken. Now TdaC is once again being generous by not taking more firm measures including the envolovement of law enforcement, and she is here getting grief from her friends. There is a question expressed here about if the one who broke the law did so accidently or intentionally. Some say he did not know. Well the license in the archive he downloaded. In addition, from my personal experience and knowledge of the person who did it; it was most certainly an intentional act by someone who didn't care about proper ownership and is only interested in selfagrandizement, as the one man who saved posette. As he has posted many times. In addition, you will all recall last March (I hope you can recall it) when he was running ramppent through PF. Do any of you think, that I did not try to work with him about the issue of his misdeeds on the site. Do any of you think I did not discuss issues of copyrights with him? I told him and he intentionly reject that information in a rather vile way. His actions in this matter now is a continuation of his intentional rejection. Now that you know what you didn't know before it is settled, this is all factual, not open to debate. Now then, it had been said that this is a good thing for Posette. Is it? Are your memories that short? Or perhaps you were have not been around long enough to know what has gone one before. In that case listen to one who was around when it happened, personally experienced it, remembers it and will now tell you. As you will recall, I first became active again in 3D CGI during the last quarter of 2004 and that my history with it goes further back to the very beginning. On this site we have the project to help preserve and restore items for posette and fellow stock models. Why do we need to do it? Because they who created such items in the past were treated as TdaC has been in this incident. When did you begin in the 3D CGI and the Poser communities? I was a part of it all from the beginning. As soon as our computers could render images, in the early 1980s I was developing software to do that. Then in the 1990s came the initial release of Poser 2, the first version of direct use for creating finished works of art. A community soon grew around it, I was a part of that first Poser community. We had our online reposiories of Poser resources and our form of galleries, that community did not survive. It did not die on its own, it was killed by the selfish greed of people like he who stole from our dear TdaC and from the killing was assisted by the selfish greed of their apologists, defenders and protectors. I know that in my case as repository after repository died I came to the time when I chose to not seek a one through which to offer my free resources. So they faded from the memory of the art world. The same happened to all, then one day the last repository went offline and the last message was sent. The community was dead. How many who were active at that time still are? Not Poser 2 users, I mean those who were active contributing members of that first poser community. How many of those members are still here? As a certain fact, I know of only one, myself. Later a new Poser community grew, that was after the release of Poser 3. That second Poser community also died, and for the same reason. However, as it was dying out, it was overlapped by the birth of the current 3rd growth of the community. Many of those who were at that time still active switched over. but their once free item were no longer offered. It is those items that were lost due to the abuses, that we have the preservation project for. Go ahead and foolishly support a thief, then soon you will learn that a small development like Posette V3 is one of the the steps to loosing so much more. Consider the results of your actions and words for the long term. Let your reasoning and justice rule your heart; not you greed. Those who aid, defend and/or support him are equal to him in my eyes for they like him have chosen to by the darkness. If any of this seems hard and cold, imagine how TdaC feels to have her friends turn against her for the sake of thief so that they can TdaC, I have benefited from your generosity and your creativity. Thank you.