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#1  Wheelchair 12 Jul 2004 03:37

I hate Poser Pros I posted a  render that took me more then just a few hours to do. I never got a comment posted before it sunk to the second page. It's not a  community over there, it's a dam  meet market!

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#2  Deviant_Viking 12 Jul 2004 06:50

If you don't suck up to others, you won't be getting any comments over there. I've noticed that as of late, since I haven't really found anything to comment on that I haven't seen a million times before, and I hardly get any comments myself.
If I do comment on peoples work, then I tend to get more replies myself.
It varies of course, sometimes I don't get replies when I comment, and other times I do get replies even if I haven't commented..
But yeah, it's turned into a big market over there. You don't sell anything, you're not worthy attention.
 




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#3  Tormie 12 Jul 2004 08:58

I was not there for a long while, I use only to post there my pictures. In this period I have enough time to watch the galleries only once a week or two, so I prefer to comment the pictures here   first. When I post something on Renderosity I get comments from my little group of fans who have me in their favourite's artist list... I don't know what's happeing there, but I suppose that much is due to the summer period... PoserPros, Renderosity and other places ARE markets with a forum and a gallery, you're supposed to know it...
 




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#4  tda42 13 Jul 2004 00:34

It is summer here and people are out sunning.Me included not to mention moving around.So I think when winter comes here it will get better in America as far as that is concerned.As for people, well they are to stuck on themselves there.They think the name Poser Pro makes them a pro.All I know is Pro means one thing.It means you do it for a living and make money out of it.You can also produce shit and still be a pro.
 



 
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#5  Den Tracy 13 Jul 2004 02:05

It has nothing to do with summer.
There is a totally different group of people over at PoserPros, lately.
It is about the people and their mentality.

The people there are only interested in fashion, textures, portraits, fantasy
and what others think of the store products or product WIPs.

Ken is more or less right.
If you aren't a merchant, you won't get much attention for the most part.

I won't kiss anybody's ass for views or comments, anywhere...
 



 
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#6  Ozymandias Jones 13 Jul 2004 03:15

When I first started visiting forums, and particularly PP, WheelChair, I was universally ignored by all. Then I started commenting on everything, joining every thread, etc, etc... suddenly I was everybody's friend. My comments in the threads weren't simply ignored as before, and anything I posted garnered a few comments and a respectable amount of hits.

But that grows tiresome after a while. Just like being part of the 'in crowd' does at school. Too much work for the end result. So I just visit the gallery when I can find the time, comment on what I like and leave the rest. I haven't even visited there for a good few weeks.

That's why I hang around here... lets all go to the bar and sing... 'We need a place where we can go, where everyone knows your name..' Grab your drink, Cheers!
 




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#7  Ozymandias Jones 13 Jul 2004 03:18

Just another thought. A few months back I remember a hugh exodus from Renderosity and all these people joining PP and anouncing themselves as ex'rosity members.

I'd say the changed mix of members might have something to do with it as well
 




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#8  Wheelchair 13 Jul 2004 03:30

thanks good people! Good to have friends here.

I don't do net art to just throw it up against a blank wall. The net should be a place to form friendships in communities like this one Ya Posetteforever a song goes here............ Come on Den, your the best at getting a sing along going
 




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#9  Den Tracy 13 Jul 2004 04:25

I never knew that you had one posted over there Harold, so I went there.

I found your pic Harold, and posted a comment. What happens over there at PP's is that
people you've never heard of anywhere, pick an artist and comment on just
about everything that he or she does, then disappear, forever.
There is a member over there who will comment on thirty, fifty  or more images,
mostly nudes and portraits, thus burying every new post.
He does this every few days.  Commenting on a piece done in 2002 makes no
sense to me, especially if the artist has never been back in 2 years.
 
Yours only has 34 views, but is bumped to page 1.  

Also, people are extremely jealous over there and hate to be outdone,
especially by me and my P4 characters.  
Instead of encouraging you, they will ignore you, hoping that you will go away.
That is so junior/senior high in the mentality department.
I ignore most of the images and the egomaniacs who "make" them or should I
say make images with everything store bought, right from the character to the poses.
Then they wait for someone to tell them how good it is.  
 



 
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#10  Tormie 13 Jul 2004 04:27

I think I'm not a Pro... I'm a noob !      

I don't understand Den, he kissed my ass a lot of times...    
 




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#11  Posy 13 Jul 2004 04:28

      
 




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#12  Deviant_Viking 13 Jul 2004 05:50

There are a few people over at PP that'll comment on your work because it's good, and not because of how you comment.
But I suppose you can come off as an elitist if you only post your work and don't comment at all (all post and no commenting would mean alot of pics without any replies    )

I don't think I've commented on a single picture on 'Rosity though. I do however get a decent amount of replies on most of my work, which I prefer since they comment due to my skills and not after how much I've commented on other works.

If people don't comment on my work just because I don't comment on theirs, then I don't want their comments anyway..
 




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#13  Tormie 13 Jul 2004 09:50

  Do you post your works ? Really ?  
 




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#14  Den Tracy 13 Jul 2004 12:54

You've hit the nail on the head, Ken !
People should comment because they like what they see, or get something out of what they see.
Most of the time, I try to be polite and reply to images because they are new people or other
reasons.
I didn't get the number of posts over at PP's from replying only to my own stuff.
With nothing in my gallery, I have over 750 posts.

My posts are somewhat bizarre and original in content, so sometimes I get a few comments.
I still have to humiliate many "artists" with a few more Connie's Poser 101, before I bail out.
After that, few people will have any use for me and I could care less.
 



 
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#15  pbnj 13 Jul 2004 17:27

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That is so junior/senior high in the mentality department.
I ignore most of the images and the egomaniacs who "make" them or should I
say make images with everything store bought, right from the character to the poses.
Then they wait for someone to tell them how good it is.


that's so disgustingly sad and true!  you know i couldn't wait to get outta high school and now that i've been out for a while im finding out that so many 'adults' still behave just like the people i hated in high school.  snotty, jealous, clique-ish, etc.  

It's electronic paperdolls for so many people and that really makes it hard for me to leave comments.  it doesn't take imagination or skill to throw a bunch of random newly bought items together.  i won't lie or kiss ass to get comments either , i could care less if people comment.  i do my art becuz its something i really enjoy and a outlet for personal expression and weird ideas that rattle around in my head.  i personally want to learn and grow in my art, while the people cranking out 1-2 'pre-fab' images a day just want a pat on the head and a cookie.    

i can honestly say i love looking at all the images here.  there is more thought and creativity in one image here then there is in 20 image over at Poser Pros or Renderosity.  each of you have your own niche and style, and you do it so well!  
 




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